[C38] eBay Starter?

Thu Jul 7 18:44:22 EDT 2011

Not being a gearhead, these are news to me!

But

Looking at the picture, I'm not sure they would have helped.

Have the nuts out. Maybe I'll buy the right size and give it a try.

Thanks!

> starter wrench makes the job easier, also called obstruction wrench.  They
> are
> curved in a c shape , very handy.
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> ________________________________
> From: "david at dlrfilms.com" <david at dlrfilms.com>
> To: tdtron at earthlink.net; Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Sent: Thu, July 7, 2011 3:29:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [C38] eBay Starter?
>
> Good news!
>
> The old starter is out, with about 2 dozen step by step photos.
>
> The only truly puzzling part is the nut on the top of the unit.
>
> Unlike the bottom, which is held in place with a bolt, and has enough
> clearance for a tool, the top is a stud in the block with a nut and
> washer.
>
> There is not enough clearance to get a socket or wrench on it.
>
> But.
>
> If you have about 15" of extension, you can thread the socket in on a
> slight angle in with the ratchet handle outside the forward part of the
> engine.
>
> The next puzzle is that as you loosen the nut, it binds the socket in
> place.
>
> The solution is to pull the starter out as the nut loosens, keeping the
> relationship of nut, starter, and socket constant. This gives just enough
> clearance to remove the entire collection.
>
> Of course once the starter clears the stud, everything comes apart and
> fall deep under the engine where my short fat arms can't reach.
>
> The other trick I used was to take a 12" piece of copper pipe and use it
> to direct my fire onto the nut; without out the pipe, there would be no
> way to put heat directly on the nut.
>
> I'll make my photos up into a slide show and post on YouTube.
>
> -D
>
>
>>
>> Hello again Dave,
>>
>> If that starter does fit your engine and it also has the solenoid
>> already
>> attached, it is a true bargain at $100.
>>
>> One standard procedure on any part replacement is to lay both old and
>> new
>> parts beside each other and look for anything that isn't identical.  I
>> once
>> had a technician in my shop NOT do this on a water pump replacement and
>> the
>> impeller on a remanufactured pump was a mirror image of what should have
>> been on the pump.  The car overheated unless it was run at very low
>> RPMs.
>> It took a lot of wasted time to finally figure out why that car was
>> still
>> overheating after the pump replacement and all of other things in the
>> cooling system checked out OK.
>>
>> One other word of caution.  Check the starter operation by connecting
>> jumper cables to the starter, negative cable to the flange and the red
>> positive cable to the solenoid post.  Have one person hold the starter
>> very
>> strongly while another person uses a screwdriver or other conductive
>> object
>> to short between the positive terminal on the solenoid and the small
>> starter activation wire post.  You may need a small jumper cable to do
>> this
>> if the screwdriver won't reach between both posts.  This will check the
>> solenoid and also the starter but hold onto the starter very strongly
>> because the startup torque is pretty powerful.  A new starter will
>> usually
>> work but I wouldn't want to go through what it takes to install a
>> starter
>> on a 5424 and find out it has a problem.  I have seen new starter motors
>> right out of a box which didn't work. It was usually a defective coil in
>> the solenoid but it can happen.
>>
>> Tom Troncalli
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: <david at dlrfilms.com>
>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> Date: 7/7/2011 10:50:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] eBay Starter?
>>>
>>> Well the below starter checks out against the engine model number and
>>> the
>>> Universal part number.
>>>
>>> FYI, from Universal the starter is ~$2100
>>>
>>> From Torrensen Marine the API marine equivelant is $262, plus shipping
>>> and
>>> can't get here till Tuesday at the earliest.
>>>
>>> From Crank & Start it's $150 including overnight shipping to arrive
>> tomorrow.
>>>
>>> So against the possiblity of losing/keeping some of this weekend's
>>> business, I went ahead and ordered it. Cross your finger for me this
>>> isn't
>>> a "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably it is."
>>>
>>> The worst of it is, on a typical trip I don't need the motor but for
>>> about
>>> 30 seconds to get around one irksome bend in the channel.
>>>
>>> But then we're sailors, and we don't prepare for the typcial day, do
>>> we?
>> ;-)
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>> > Up early worrying about today's adventure. Found this on eBay:
>>> >
>>> > http://bit.ly/nqvde6
>>> >
>>> > Says Universal M30 5424, but not being an engine guy, I don't know if
>> that
>>> > means it will fit.
>>> >
>>> > Advice welcome!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> So tomorrow morning I'm down to the boat, wrenches and sockets in
>>> hand,
>>> >> PB
>>> >> Blaster and a MAP gas torch.
>>> >>
>>> >> Wish me luck!
>>> >>
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