[C38] eBay Starter?

Fri Jul 8 20:28:16 EDT 2011

Well the part has arrived and to say that it looks different from the part
that came up is a bit of an understatement.

But the bolt pattern seems to match, as does the gear/teeth. It came with
a print out of the QA test with torgue and rpms and what-not. It's all
greek to me.

I guess I'll know more when I bring it down to the boat tomorrow AM!

> Not being a gearhead, these are news to me!
>
> But
>
> Looking at the picture, I'm not sure they would have helped.
>
> Have the nuts out. Maybe I'll buy the right size and give it a try.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>> starter wrench makes the job easier, also called obstruction wrench.
>> They
>> are
>> curved in a c shape , very handy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "david at dlrfilms.com" <david at dlrfilms.com>
>> To: tdtron at earthlink.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>> <listserve at catalina38.org>
>> Sent: Thu, July 7, 2011 3:29:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C38] eBay Starter?
>>
>> Good news!
>>
>> The old starter is out, with about 2 dozen step by step photos.
>>
>> The only truly puzzling part is the nut on the top of the unit.
>>
>> Unlike the bottom, which is held in place with a bolt, and has enough
>> clearance for a tool, the top is a stud in the block with a nut and
>> washer.
>>
>> There is not enough clearance to get a socket or wrench on it.
>>
>> But.
>>
>> If you have about 15" of extension, you can thread the socket in on a
>> slight angle in with the ratchet handle outside the forward part of the
>> engine.
>>
>> The next puzzle is that as you loosen the nut, it binds the socket in
>> place.
>>
>> The solution is to pull the starter out as the nut loosens, keeping the
>> relationship of nut, starter, and socket constant. This gives just
>> enough
>> clearance to remove the entire collection.
>>
>> Of course once the starter clears the stud, everything comes apart and
>> fall deep under the engine where my short fat arms can't reach.
>>
>> The other trick I used was to take a 12" piece of copper pipe and use it
>> to direct my fire onto the nut; without out the pipe, there would be no
>> way to put heat directly on the nut.
>>
>> I'll make my photos up into a slide show and post on YouTube.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hello again Dave,
>>>
>>> If that starter does fit your engine and it also has the solenoid
>>> already
>>> attached, it is a true bargain at $100.
>>>
>>> One standard procedure on any part replacement is to lay both old and
>>> new
>>> parts beside each other and look for anything that isn't identical.  I
>>> once
>>> had a technician in my shop NOT do this on a water pump replacement and
>>> the
>>> impeller on a remanufactured pump was a mirror image of what should
>>> have
>>> been on the pump.  The car overheated unless it was run at very low
>>> RPMs.
>>> It took a lot of wasted time to finally figure out why that car was
>>> still
>>> overheating after the pump replacement and all of other things in the
>>> cooling system checked out OK.
>>>
>>> One other word of caution.  Check the starter operation by connecting
>>> jumper cables to the starter, negative cable to the flange and the red
>>> positive cable to the solenoid post.  Have one person hold the starter
>>> very
>>> strongly while another person uses a screwdriver or other conductive
>>> object
>>> to short between the positive terminal on the solenoid and the small
>>> starter activation wire post.  You may need a small jumper cable to do
>>> this
>>> if the screwdriver won't reach between both posts.  This will check the
>>> solenoid and also the starter but hold onto the starter very strongly
>>> because the startup torque is pretty powerful.  A new starter will
>>> usually
>>> work but I wouldn't want to go through what it takes to install a
>>> starter
>>> on a 5424 and find out it has a problem.  I have seen new starter
>>> motors
>>> right out of a box which didn't work. It was usually a defective coil
>>> in
>>> the solenoid but it can happen.
>>>
>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> [Original Message]
>>>> From: <david at dlrfilms.com>
>>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>>> Date: 7/7/2011 10:50:27 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C38] eBay Starter?
>>>>
>>>> Well the below starter checks out against the engine model number and
>>>> the
>>>> Universal part number.
>>>>
>>>> FYI, from Universal the starter is ~$2100
>>>>
>>>> From Torrensen Marine the API marine equivelant is $262, plus shipping
>>>> and
>>>> can't get here till Tuesday at the earliest.
>>>>
>>>> From Crank & Start it's $150 including overnight shipping to arrive
>>> tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> So against the possiblity of losing/keeping some of this weekend's
>>>> business, I went ahead and ordered it. Cross your finger for me this
>>>> isn't
>>>> a "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably it is."
>>>>
>>>> The worst of it is, on a typical trip I don't need the motor but for
>>>> about
>>>> 30 seconds to get around one irksome bend in the channel.
>>>>
>>>> But then we're sailors, and we don't prepare for the typcial day, do
>>>> we?
>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>> > Up early worrying about today's adventure. Found this on eBay:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://bit.ly/nqvde6
>>>> >
>>>> > Says Universal M30 5424, but not being an engine guy, I don't know
>>>> if
>>> that
>>>> > means it will fit.
>>>> >
>>>> > Advice welcome!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> So tomorrow morning I'm down to the boat, wrenches and sockets in
>>>> hand,
>>>> >> PB
>>>> >> Blaster and a MAP gas torch.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Wish me luck!
>>>> >>
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