[C38] Cockpit Drains

Fri Aug 5 10:44:48 EDT 2011

Speaking of cockpit flooding and transom tubes reminds me of my own experiences.  Our 38 cockpit was rarely flooded but when it did it seemed to take a very long time to drain with the standard cockpit drains.  I like the idea of tubes going out the aft end of the cockpit.  We used a bucket to speed up the process.

When I was a kid, our family had a small ski boat.  We were in and out of the water skiing and it didn't take long for the boat to have standing water in the bilge from us dripping all over.  We would sometimes forget to put the transom plug back in making things worse.

My father took a piece of inner tube rubber and attached it to the outside of the transom drain with a piece of stainless strap and a couple of screws.  This piece of rubber acted like a one way flapper valve.

Sometimes we would forget to put the transom plug in when we left and the next week when we returned to the dock the runabout still had no water in the bilge.  We ended up leaving the transom plug out all summer after we got confident of the flapper valve.  (I doubt my father ever knew this)

I had considered putting these flapper valves on my 38 on the factory drain holes to prevent cockpit flooding on a run but we sold the boat before I got to this project.  Adding additional drains to the 38 cockpit would also be a great improvement.

Tom Troncalli

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Joseph Launie 
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Sent: 8/5/2011 3:23:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [C38] Cockpit Drains

Steve,
    The tubes out the transom sound like the answer because I think the cockpit floor is high enough above the water line so the tube could have a little downward slope. A one way valve that would act like a diode (water out but not in) would be the cat's pajamas. My Olson 30 had a closed tube running into the boat from the transom for storing the overboard pole. Your fix it guy might look at one of those to see how they set it up. Joe Launie/Macavity

On 8/3/2011 10:20 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote: 
Joe, 

As Dan later told the story, after the wave hit and he looked in the cockpit, one of the crew who was sleeping on the cockpit seat,  woke thinking he was drowning and was thrashing around to get out of the water, Dan's first thought was to lay the boat over and dump as much water as he could but felt he would flush out Sean in the process and decided to let the cockpit drain on its own.  As Dan stood watch the rest of the night with wet feet, (His boots had filled up) he started formulating ideas on how to modify Peregrine so that it was like his previous 45 foot sled with open transom,  He's a brilliant engineer and is really pushing for tubes through the stern locker and out the transom.  Randy one of hte other engineers and amazing fix it guy stoically stated "I can do that"

Steve

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From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Joseph Launie
Sent: Wed 8/3/2011 10:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [C38] Cockpit Drains

Steve, 
    You must have been pooped by a huge wave.  I have had a wave go over my head when on the rail on my Olson 30 but nothing like that in the 38. It sounds like your crew handled it just fine. Joe Launie/Macavity

On 7/31/2011 10:23 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote: 

	When we were running down the coast to Long Beach during the Coastal Cup, the first night saw 25-30 knots and sorta big seas.  I had just settle in the quarter berth after placing the the first hatch board in and was just at that tipping point of sleep when a wall of water came through the hatch.  The watch captain was driving and was hit from behind by a wave that went over the top of his head, needless to say the cockpit was full of water, up over the cockpit seats and it took a very long time to drain in addition to bailing.   My drain hoses go straight down from the scuppers to the through hulls.  I remember a thread about routing them to the opposite sides, of course in this situation its a matter of opening size, but we are continually annoyed by water in the cockpit when heeled over and the low side through hull is buried underwater and water comes up and not out the drains.

	I would appreciate comments from anyone who has their hoses going to the opposite side.  

	Also any suggestions for adding more drains to get water out quicker, I was thinking about additional drains on the slanted sides of the cockpit sole, Thanks

	Steve
	#312 Peregrine
	Seattle  

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