[C38] Thru Hulls
Larry Malmberg
Larrypi at roadrunner.com
Tue Sep 27 09:37:38 EDT 2011
Max, we do have a water heater, 110V and also heats from the heat exchanger
too. Propane tank is 1 gallon which lasts for quite a while.
Best regards,
Larry Malmberg
Team Hassle
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Max Soto
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:18 PM
To: Catalina 38 Listserve
Subject: Re: [C38] Thru Hulls
Peg, your engine is just 25lbs lighter than the m30 or 5424 engine. One
thing that can also make a difference is the water heater tank. The tank
itself is a lot of weight, plus six gallons of water... What about propane
tanks or cabin heaters????
Larry, do you have a water heater on Hassle???
Regards, max
Sent from my iPod
On Sep 26, 2011, at 20:10, Peg <saintpeg at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Chiming in from San Francisco...
>
> I'm actually glad to hear that other people are sailing a C38 with a saggy
butt :-) We've noticed the same thing with IRIE -- and with a lighter
Yanmar engine & nothing in particular clogging up the stern lazarette we've
wondered why.
>
> We've even fielded a suggestion from our diver that we have the boot
stripe repainted last time we had her hauled, but after a quick run-through
of what it would cost we said, "Nah, we'll let her sit saggy!"
>
> Now I want to hear from someone who *doesn't* have this problem...
>
> Peggy Droesch
> #231 IRIE
> San Francisco
>
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>> Re: New Guy & Port Winch Access... (Dick Kilroy)
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>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:11:07 -0400
>> From: "tdtron at earthlink.net" <tdtron at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Thru Hulls
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>> Nice brochure of the 5424 Max!
>>
>> While looking at the picture of the 5424, look at the size of the heat
exchanger in comparison to the size of the engine. No wonder they overheat!
>>
>> Tom Troncalli
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Max Soto
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Sent: 9/26/2011 12:38:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Thru Hulls
>>
>>
>> heres the 5424 brochure and the salwater pump brochure..
>>
>>
>> Charles, This might be useful on the C38 site..
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Max
>>
>>
>> 2011/9/23 Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>>
>> To be exact, Larry's engine M25XPB weights 295, and the 5424 or M30
weights 425, so the real difference is 130 lbs on your side, and 2 more hp
on Larry's side!
>>
>>
>> That's why I decided to replace the engine instead of overhauling the
original... For 30 lbs less, I got almost twice the hps....
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/9/23 Larry Malmberg <Larrypi at roadrunner.com>
>>
>> Funny, Hassle lists to port as well. I have tried to figure out why, we
seem to be fairly well balanced. When washing the cockpit it always drains
to the port scupper.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Larry Malmberg
>> Team Hassle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Launie
>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 10:29 AM
>>
>> To: listserve at catalina38.org
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Thru Hulls
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve,
>> The hull mold is one piece and hinged - there are no halfs. Joe
>> Launie/Macavity
>>
>> On 9/23/2011 4:28 AM, Steven Ribble wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> Are you sure that the weight inside the boat is comparable to Larry's?
Engine, fuel tank, LP, steering, etc? It seems like a stretch to think the
keel, even if waterlogged, would pull the stern down so noticeably...more
likely it would weight the entire boat, and maybe a little more so in the
stern. Do you have old photos you can use to see if it's always been that
way, maybe the weight is in the hull from the factory.
>>
>> Mine is good fore and aft, but lists slightly to port, which I've
>> always assumed was do to all the storage and amenities being on the
>> port side. I try to rationalize that due to the layout of the boat
>> they must have somehow considered that during the design process...so
>> then I start thinking the hull halves are different weights. And so
>> goes the neuroses. ;-)
>>
>> Steve R
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2011, Steve Smolinske
<SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com> wrote:
>>> Joe, no it is 77 pounds lighter than the original one which was not
water logged when we removed it.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
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>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Joseph Launie
>>> Sent: Thu 9/22/2011 11:42 PM
>>> To: listserve at catalina38.org
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Thru Hulls
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>> Is your rudder water-logged or heavier? Joe Launie/Macavity
>>>
>>> On 9/22/2011 9:57 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any experience with Shakewell type designed thru
hulls or the Forespar Flotech? Im considering closing up four thru hulls
and replacing at least 1 of the 3 remaining with the Forespar all in an
effort to find that elusive 1/10 of a knot of boat speed. The plan is to
close up the one under the Vee berth, the head sink, the macerator and the
one where the knot meter use to be on the stbd side of the keel. Then to
tee the macerator into the head outlet along with the Head and sump pump,
abandon the head sink alltogether, pull water from the engine intake for the
head and galley sea water pump, and use the galley sink thru hull for sink
discharge and watermaker.
>>>
>>> Also another question I would like input on, for Transpac we had to
get the boat measured in the water, the rater then compared our boat with
Larry's to see how close they were. Interesting that our stern was about an
inch lower in the water than Hassle. If you look at Peregrine from the side
you can see the stern boot stripe is in the water or very close. She does
not have any other gear other than the radar post in the stern. I did
notice on our last haul out that the skeg seeped the entire time she was
out, Im wondering if it isnt water weight or something else. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> #312 Peregrine
>>> Seattle
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>> From: Chuck Finn <charles at finn.ws>
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>> There was some sort of problem with our internet provider this
>> weekend, which resulted in about 70 of us getting temporarily blocked
from the
>> listserve (including me). I have dealt with the issue, but some of us
>> may have not received messages. For example, I did not get Max's
>> brochure message. I have asked Max to re-send, which knowing Max has
>> probably already happened!
>> All the best,
>> Chuck Finn
>> Commodore
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>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:50:30 -0400
>> From: Steven Ribble <steve.ribble at gmail.com>
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>> Subject: [C38] Optimal conditions for a Cat 38?
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>> I apologize if this is a duplicate, from Chuck's email I think I sent
>> this while the web site was in ether-space.
>>
>> This is one for the sage elders of the group! As I'm about to finish
>> my first [serious] campaign season (2 races left) I'm confirming what
>> I knew when I bought the boat 4 years ago...I've got to get a new
>> genny! The current one's a 155% rag and I am thinking about going to
>> a 135 thinking it will be easier to tack (of my 17 races, 10 were
>> single handed (with 4 3rd's) and several times in light air the clew
>> would hang up on the standing rigging...which obviously isn't fast!)
>> and easier keep the wind flow attached due to the higher aspect ratio.
>>
>> So two questions came up, one leading to the other: what was the
>> recommended headsail for the boat when new/designed...and, what
>> conditions (wind speed, point of sail, etc) was the boat designed for?
>>
>> As a follow up, the average wind speed in the Gulf of Maine is 12
>> knots, does anyone have a headsail suggestion for sailing fast?
>> (assuming that while I could put a reef point in the genoa, it's on a
>> furler and going to be the only headsail)
>>
>> Steve Ribble
>> Tittravate #64
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>> From: "Dick Kilroy" <dickkilroy at comcast.net>
>> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>> Subject: Re: [C38] New Guy & Port Winch Access...
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>> Mark: Try Newport Nautical Newport R. I.for winches. they are a
consignment store as well a a boat store 401 847 3933. Bud Heaton is the
owner.
>>
>> Dick
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mark O'Dell
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C38] New Guy & Port Winch Access...
>>
>>
>> I'd love to, Mike, really I would, but I don't know if I'd be able to get
my boat down there for the weekend on such short notice. If I can't... is
anyone looking for crew?
>>
>>
>> Mark O
>> Momentous 230
>> Baltimore, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Michael Norcross <manorcross at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>> Come out for the Good Old Boat Regatta in Annapolis Oct 8 and 9, or at
least on Sat the 8th. We have 3 boats signed on, 2 more probables, yours
would be the 6th. We will have our own start and its looking like
non-spinnaker for the group. We could practice spinnaker during the week or
next week end on one boat if there's interest just for the fun of it.
>> Hope you make it.
>>
>> Mike Norcross
>> Escape 318
>> Londontown (Annapolis), MD
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Mark O'Dell
<mixedbusinesscontact at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanx for the welcome and picture, Max....
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately for the access though.... I have a rather large double
propane locker hanging in the way. Don't know if it's worth taking apart. In
the end I'm thinking that the access that I would cut, would be convenient
and quite hidden from view, so I might just go for it anyway. The first step
is getting winches that fit!
>>
>>
>> Those Lewmar 48stor I bought just ain't big enough (Bummer).
>> Which reminds me... I'm in need of some winches... anybody got a set
>> of 58sts or similar out there? I have the original 3-speeds and the
>> 48s listed below as trade(?)
>>
>>
>> I have the 48s on Craigslist, if anyone knows anybody that might
>> be interested: http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/2617932411.html
>>
>>
>> Also... I just got access to the assoc web site... What a great
resource!!! So glad I found you guys. Those drawing are going to come in
handy in the future.
>>
>>
>> Again, thanx for all the responses and advice!
>>
>>
>> If anyone is curious, I posted some video of last weekend's
>> cruise on YouTube. Reefed and flying along in 20knts of wind in the
>> coffee-colored Chesapeake! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cvKcGVEQhc
>>
>>
>> Mark O'
>> Momentous #230
>> Baltimore, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mark, Welcomo to te group and congrats on Momentous
purchase!!!
>>
>>
>> Here's a pic from the inside of the starboard locker looking
forward. At the top of the pic, you'll see a small opening and the starboard
winch bolts. So, it is very easy to replace it.. no need to cut above the
icebox.
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Max Soto
>> C38 #198 Estancia
>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/9/22 Mark O'Dell <mixedbusinesscontact at gmail.com>
>>
>> Hey All...
>>
>>
>> Please excuse the intrusion on this thread, but I am NEW to the
list and I don't exactly know the etiquette involved in using this email
list, or how it all works....so here goes...
>>
>>
>> My name is Mark O'Dell, my father John and I recently purchased
'83 C38 #230 (was SPIRIT, now MOMENTOUS) out of Holiday Point Marina in
Edgewater, MD.
>>
>>
>> We moved the boat up to our yard on Jones Creek, off the Patapsco
River in Baltimore. We got an insane deal on her, and she is in great
shape... sails great, runs great, all seems to be well... and loaded with
gear, electronics and sails!
>>
>>
>> I was excited to hear from this thread that there are a few C38s
in my area. The G.O.B. Regatta sounds fun as hell, and hopefully in the
future I could catch up with you, crew for you, or race along side of you...
but for the immediate future, I was wondering if I might solicit some advice
on a few things related to winch upgrades / access, and dodgers frames.
>>
>>
>> Winch Upgrades / Access:
>>
>>
>> I still have the old Lewmar 48 3spds, and I've been anxious to
switch them out for STs. So, I found a GREAT deal on a set of Lewmar 48STOR
alloys off a boat in annap., but when I went to put them on I found two
things: 1) There was virtually NO access to the portside winch due to a
propane locker and the actual position of the winch itself and, 2) the
physical dimensions of these new 48s were significantly smaller than the
3spds... so much so, that I just didn't think they were beefy enough to use,
not to mention the glass work that I'd have to do to cover up the now
exposed old bolt hole pattern.
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of stepping it up to the Lewmar 58stors (found a
deal on those too). They look as if they will match in foot print and
physical size much closer.
>>
>>
>> I've tried to do some online photo research to see what other
C38s have, but honestly, it looks as if the majority (of the ones that are
for sale at least), still have the old 3spds.
>>
>>
>> So.... what do I use? What is a popular model for primary
>> winch upgrades? 58s? And... how about port access... honestly, it's
>> really looking like I have to cut a new access panel in the headliner
>> above the galley ice box.(?)
>>
>>
>> Factory dodger frames:
>>
>>
>> I would very much like to install a California-style dodger. Was
this a factory option when new? Are there factory frame templates that exist
anywhere? Any recommendations for who to use locally (Balt / Annap), or
where to obtain one? Obviously I can go custom, just thought I'd ask.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, sorry for the intrusion to this thread.... Please let me
know if there is a proper way to do this stuff.
>>
>>
>> Thanx for listening, and I look forward to being a productive
member of this list. So far I couldn't be more satisfied with owning a C38.
>>
>>
>> Mark O'Dell
>> Momentous
>> C38 #230
>> Baltimore, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Hey Chuck,
>> We are on the same page her...
>> I just checked the manual from my friends transmission, guess
what! It's a Technodrive twin disc unit. This one is the 60 model (Hurth
hbw125 replacement) and the cost was $1260. The 40 is $980 at Transmission
Marine in Fourt Lauderdale. This is by far the cheapest place that I have
found for transmissions and parts. Www. Marinegears.com
>> Regards, max
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:14, Chuck Finn <charles at finn.ws> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Max,
>> This looks very much like the Beta Marine transmission I
installed this summer! TECHNODRIVE Twin Disc TMC 40 P transmission, NEW: US
$1,098.00
>> from http://soundmarinediesel.com/transmissions.shtml
>> My original Hurth ZF failed last summer and I had it rebuilt.
Whole job cost about $3000 and took more than a month. It failed again this
summer with less than 40 hours total on the transmission. I don't know
whether the second failure was due to a bad rebuild or shoddy workmanship
by Shelburne Boatyard (of the 8 bolts that hold the transmission to the
engine, 3 were so loose they were removed without a wrench). Our webmaster
(Anders) removed the Hurth transmission the second time around and it took
him 45 minutes.
>>
>> I did have problems with the original Beta transmission sent
(it would not reliably shift into forward), but the folks at sound marine
diesel were so accommodating that despite having to switch it out I would
still recommend them. They spent a couple hours on the phone with me and
even sent the replacement without charging me for having two of their
transmissions in my possession (I wanted the replacement on hand so I could
change it out when I had the time).
>> You should also be aware there is a 1/4 inch difference in
the height of these transmissions. For those of us keeping the 5424, this
requires we lower the engine a 1/4 inch. This can be challenging, given
where our motor mounts are and the fact most folks will find the nuts and
threads are in rough shape. Speaking of motor mounts! I highly recommended
that you change out your motor mounts and install a flex coupler when
changing the transmission! You can pretty much bet your motor mounts need
replacing after 10 years and some engine manufacturers recommend half that
time. Another reason to change your motor mounts during transmission work
is there is a lot more room back there to work without the transmission in
the way and it takes about 40 pounds off the motor lift.
>> And don't let a boatyard tell you you need to pull the boat
to do this! I paid for three lifts ($900) because Shelburne Boatyard
insisted this was necessary. They said the prop shaft would have to be
removed to make room. After disconnecting the drive shaft coupling, put a
hose clamp on the end of the shaft and slide it back until there is enough
room to work on the transmission (the hose coupling ensures you don't
accidentally let the shaft slide out of the boat).
>>
>> Yes, Steve, I need to write this up as a tech article!
>>
>> Chuck Finn
>> Mighty Quinn #114
>> Great Lakes
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/18/2011 10:12 PM, Max Soto wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>>
>> For those who are planning to replace the Hurth HBW100 or
newer ZF M10 from the Universal 5424, M35 and 25XP series, according to
some marine engine manufacturers and some forums, these new ZF trannys are
now half as strong and reliable as our old long lasting Hurths....
>> I was told that the place that makes all the internals is
not the same and this is what made the huge difference.
>> When I was quoting, I was told by the engine sales person
to buy the bobtail engine and install my old transmission instead of the new
ZF10 that they use, or go to the new Twin Disc MG340. The twin disc MG340
is the right replacement for our engines, and is what Phasor MArine and
Betamarine are recommending now after so many problems with customers that
were using ZF10....
>> They share the same foot print, shaft and coupling
measures, so, same damper plate and bellhousing adaptor can be used. Engine
just has to be raised 5mm and shifting cable routed to port of the tranny,
and that's it. They are supposed to be stronger and more reliable. Plus,
they are a few bucks cheaper. I know it because I just bought one for a
friend with a Perkins engine...
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.twindisc.com/MarineProducts/MarineTransSeries_mg_340.html
>>
>>
>> Again, this is just what I have been told, but after
checking some forums, it appears to be true..... If planning to go this way,
please do your own research... But hopefully, this will help some of you..
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Max Soto
>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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