[C38] Head

Wed Oct 19 11:55:23 EDT 2011

Right you are Michael, three mile rule.  We try not to dump in the ocean
unless absolutely necessary.  Almost all harbors have pump stations for
waste and do not charge for pumping.

Best regards,

Larry Malmberg
Team Hassle

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cameron
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [C38] Head

Three miles off shore is the law in US.

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From: Patrick Harpole <1derful at comcast.net>
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Sent: Wed, October 19, 2011 8:23:53 AM
Subject: Re: [C38] Head

Don't know about you other boaters but in the San Francisco Bay the Coast
Guard cites boaters who do not have their through hull wired shut.  It is
not legal to dump sewage within about 10 to 25 miles of the coast.
Patrick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mark Lewis <mailto:mwlewis at comcast.net>  
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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [C38] Head

There is a two way "y" valve between the holding tank and thru hull. One
branch to tank and other to thru hull. The macerator also exits thru hull.
The deck pumpout hose drops straight down behind the vberth cabinet. With y
valve in tank position it allows sewage to be pumped from tank. 

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On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:24 PM, S Orton <ssorton at hotmail.com> wrote:

Max,  No, I definitely don't have a valve between the macerator and the
holding tank, but I can't remember where the deck pump out hose attaches to
the holding tank.  The deck pump hose must go directly to the holding tank,
because to pump out all I do is open the deck fitting and it works.
Cheers, Steve O

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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:29:18 -0600
From:  <mailto:maxsoto at gmail.com> maxsoto at gmail.com
To:  <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org> listserve at catalina38.org
Subject: Re: [C38] Head

Steve O., You're right. I had to get paper and a pencil and made a diagram,
now I get it!! LOL 
Do you still have the valve before the macerator for the deck pump out
fitting???

Regards,

Max

2011/10/11 S Orton < <mailto:ssorton at hotmail.com> ssorton at hotmail.com>

Max,  There are 3 valves involved:
1)  The 2 way valve that directs the head discharge overb'd or to the
holding tank.
2)  The macerator discharges to the overb'd hose via a tee with a ball shut
off valve just before the tee.  This valve keeps sea water from leaking back
through the macerator pump into the holding tank.
3)  The overb'd through hull valve
Normal operation, where allowed, is discharging the head directly overb'd.
The 2 way valve handle is up with the discharge overb'd and the macerator
valve closed.
For discharging to the holding tank, the 2 way valve handle is down, and the
macerator valve is closed.
To macerate, the 2 way valve is mid position (no flow from the head or worse
no flow back into the head) and the macerator valve is open allowing flow
overb'd. 

I think a simple diagram would of explained this better.
Cheers, Steve O
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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:13:02 -0600
From:  <mailto:maxsoto at gmail.com> maxsoto at gmail.com
To:  <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org> listserve at catalina38.org
Subject: Re: [C38] Head

Steve, 
How is that Tee for the holding tank and head discharge working??? How many
valves have you installed??? I already have one to select if the head
discharge goes overboard or to the tank. I'm not sure if this is standard
setup or not...

Regards,

Max

2011/10/11 S Orton < <mailto:ssorton at hotmail.com> ssorton at hotmail.com>

Good job Steve!  Something to think about- the upper aft portion of cabinet
interferes with a person putting their head directly over the sink.  One of
my future projects is to recess that aft cabinet portion outboard to allow
more headroom, which would also allow more options for lighting.
You mentioned in an earlier thread about plugging through hulls to obtain
that additional fractional knot.  What we did when we had the bottom peeled
and vinylester applied was to:
1. Plug the head sink drain through hull and run the drain aft and tee it
into the galley sink drain.  It works well, but the sink can still overflow
on a starb'd beat.  So it didn't solve that problem- I still have to closed
the galley drain cock.
2. Plug the macerator drain and tee it into the head "direct overb'd" with
appropriate valving.  This works great- I never understood why you would
have two large overboards, side by side, when a tee would work for the same
dirty water.
The biggest benefit from the above rework was the vinylester bottom- the
boat definitely float higher!  I didn't go into the peeling operation for
that reason though, I wanted get rid of the blisters.  My boat was like
small pox all over and this kept me from sanding the hull at the bi-annual
haul outs. 
Thank you for the pictures, as it gives me insight of what I'm up against in
reworking the head cabinet.
Cheers, Steve O 
Santa Susanna (304)

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Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:18:48 -0700
From:  <mailto:SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com> SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
To:  <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org> listserve at catalina38.org
Subject: [C38] Head 

Here are the pics after taking out the counter top intersting find in the
process.   looking at the sink in the upper left corner of the counter top
is where the water pools you can see in the pic a cut out that lead straight
to the the salon bulkhead,  any water that accumulates from a shower, the
sink or the head sweating runs right down the back of the bulkhead and under
the forward cushion.   I always thought my chain plate was leaking and
sealed and resealed numerous times.  Took the counter top out of the boat
and with it went the musty boat smell, next time on the boat no smell.   The
counter was wet in the same upper left corner and some mold.  sprayed with
mold killer will paint and reinstall,  thinking that I will run a piece of
teak trim along the counter top and the bulkhead sealing it to capture any
water on the laminate counter top and in the far upper left corner cut in a
flush to the counter top through hull type fitting so any water accumulation
can drain into the bilge.   Other idea was to do the same trim detail but
install laminate directly over the gelcoat cabinet, make a spacer for the
chainplate mount and not worry about wood any longer.   Thoughts or comments
please

Max, the last pic is of the bulge in deck you asked about earlier.   

Steve
#312 Peregrine 
Seattle

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