[C38] Hull 50 Discreet Charm rudder post
Don Strong
drstrong at ucdavis.edu
Thu Dec 1 10:37:52 EST 2011
Mark: We have a gland that seals with packing. We also use teflon shims
to firm up the post in the shaft.
Don
On 12/1/11 7:29 AM, Glenn Walters 401 855 4355 wrote:
> Hello Mark Lewis,
> My hull 13 has a wheel.
> As I understand it from other posts and info from Catalina the rudder
> post does not have bearings, just bushings that do wear.
> Glenn #13 POIA
>
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>> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 06:38:33 -0800
>> From: "Mark Lewis"<mwlewis at comcast.net>
>> To: "'Catalina 38 Listserve'"<listserve at catalina38.org>
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>> Glenn,
>>
>>
>>
>> Did your boat come with tiller or wheel? I have hull #6 and it came
>> from
>> the factory with tiller. I've decided to convert, and the
>> recommendation
>> from Edson is to install a stuffing box/bearing combo at the top of the
>> rudder recut rudder post.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Bluewater #6
>>
>>
>>
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Walters
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:22 AM
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>>
>> Hard to believe that someone has not added rudder bearings.
>>
>> I am planning to do so with a new rudder and shaft. Seems doable in
>> theory
>> but if I can avoid reinventing the "wheel " so to speak that would
>> be nice.
>>
>> Glenn
>> POIA #13
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:42:55 -0800
>> From: Joseph Launie<jlaunie at cox.net>
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>> Glenn,
>> A boatyard owner friend of mine added Harken bearings to the rudder
>> shaft of his Wilderness 40. I helped install them. He had to remove them
>> later. Joe
>>
>> On 11/30/2011 1:21 PM, Glenn Walters 401 855 4355<tel:401%20855%204355>
>> wrote:
>>> Does anyone have experience in modifying and adding rudder bearings
>>> rather than the standard bushings?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Glenn Walters
>>> POIA hull #13
>>>
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>>>> 1. Re: Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive (Max Soto)
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>>>> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:47:06 -0600
>>>> From: Max Soto<maxsoto at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve<listserve at catalina38.org>,
>>>> mwlewis at comcast.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive
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>>>> Hey Mark,
>>>> Here a re a few pics from the engine room and the lazarette. There
>>>> is no
>>>> cut out, because never had anything separating the lazarette from
>>>> engine
>>>> room. You'll have to remove yours in order to accommodate the radial
>>>> wheel.
>>>> The rudder obviously has been removed, so you can see the packing
>>>> gland and
>>>> the piece of wood that works as rudder stop.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, the void in my hull between the rudder post and the strut
>>>> location
>>>> was just filled with foam and fiberglased, so water coming from the
>>>> rudder
>>>> gland will go right to the bilge without accumulating in the engine
>>>> room.
>>>> Hopefully, the humidity in this area will drop a lot.
>>>> These areas are the most neglected by myself on Estancia, but I just
>>>> started working on them, hopefully they'll look great in a few weeks.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/11/25 Mark Lewis<mwlewis at comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>>> Steve,****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like there is barely room for an 8" radial. Does your boat
>>>>> have
>>>>> a cutout in the rear lazerrette to accommodate it? See pics of my
>>>>> boat.**
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
>>>>> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Smolinske
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:18 PM
>>>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>>> *Subject:* [C38] Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive****
>>>>>
>>>>> ** **
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a technical note for everyone, our boats came installed with a
>>>>> radial
>>>>> wheel drive, that is the circular aluminum piece mounted to the
>>>>> rudder post
>>>>> that the cable runs around and terminates at the tightening
>>>>> ubolts. A
>>>>> quadrant is an aluminum piece shaped like a piece of pie that
>>>>> attaches to
>>>>> the rudder post and does the same thing.
>>>>> http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/wheel_conversion/pdfs/S-936.pdf
>>>>> (link
>>>>> to Edson Catalina 38 diagram) and
>>>>> http://www.edsonmarine.com/marinestore/index.php?main_page=index
>> <http://www.edsonmarine.com/marinestore/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=287>
>>
>> &cPath=287
>>>>> (link
>>>>> to a picture showing both) ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve****
>>>>>
>>>>> #312 Peregrine****
>>>>>
>>>>> Seattle****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
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>> Hey all...
>>
>> Speaking of auto helms .... Does any one have any Autohelm ST4000
>> parts? My
>> wheel drive actuator went up. Well, it started slipping, and then in
>> a blow
>> one of the internal roller ring posts snapped off and caused one of the
>> rollers to rattle around inside the wheel ring unit...basically
>> disabling my
>> steering completely. (was fun pulling the ring and the wheel off to
>> ditch
>> the whole thing while underway!) anyway, my control head and power
>> supply
>> work just fine..., and up till about 10mins ago the actuator motor
>> did too
>> (stupid me pulled the motor off the ring only to see the internal
>> gears go
>> flying...guess I can put that back together)... but my wheel drive
>> actuator
>> is beyond repair. so I'm looking for a wheel drive actuator ring, either
>> with a motor, or with out.
>>
>> Anyone got a box of parts laying around? Or know where I might find
>> one? Do
>> I really have to get a whole new system?
>>
>> Mark
>> Momentous #230
>>
>> Oh yea btw... Found a nice canvas guy in Baltimore that just did a
>> custom
>> dodger for me, and is working on a complete bikini and connector too.
>> Good
>> price, very accommodating guy. Charm City marine Canvas. Thought I'd
>> pass it
>> along.
>>
>> Hey Phil Gay... A big thanks to you for sending me pics of your
>> dodger...
>> They helped me design mine. Pic attached.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Max Soto<maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have the Type 1 (12in stroke), so as Davd pointed out, a small
>> modification might be needed to the rudder stops, in order to make it
>> work,
>> but not that big of a project.....
>>> I was planning to install it directly to the radial wheel, with only
>>> a 8"
>> radius instead of the 10" tiller arm, but still it should work.. I hope!
>>> This unit came with a complete Autohelm ST6000 autopilot, but is
>>> that
>> old (around 20years), that is not NMEA compatible, and that's why I
>> want to
>> remove the wheel pitlot assembly and install it with the ST4000+
>> display.
>> Despite what RM support said, now I find it really hard to make it
>> work like
>> this, but I'll give it a try. As Tom said, the wheel pilot is very
>> easy for
>> connections and maintenance, but despite the patented Troncalli's
>> shock cord
>> solution (which BTW works great most of the time!!), the wheel pilot
>> slips
>> when the wind is blowing hard and the weatherhelm increases...... So the
>> linear drive should be more reliable...
>>> I've heard great comments about the Nexus and Simrad/ Robertson, but
>> because of the price, they are out of the question. If I don't make the
>> linear drive work, I'll stick with the wheel pilot, or maybe I'll just
>> install both autopilots, hopefully, the new 20 years old ST6000 might
>> work
>> and I'll have a very good back up.
>>> Have someone installed any brand of drive unit directly to the radial
>> wheel??? Edson used to reccomed it, but years ago, they changed
>> their mind,
>> started reccommending the tiller arms that they started producing.
>>> Regards,
>>> Max
>>>
>>> 2011/11/29 David Epstein<davidepstein at earthlink.net>
>>> Max,
>>>
>>> Do you know if it is a Type 1 (12 in stroke) or a Type1L (16 in
>>> stroke)?
>> If it is a Type 1, my notes indicate that it rated for up to a 22,000 lb
>> boat, requires a 10" tiller arm, and it has a maximum of +/-35
>> degrees of
>> rudder travel. The 1L is good up to 33,000 lbs, requires a 16"
>> tiller arm
>> as is also limited to +/-35 degrees.
>>> SuperStar's rudder has about 90 degrees of travel (+/-45), so if
>>> your boat
>> has similar range, you may have to modify your stops on each side so
>> that
>> you don't have a problem when the linear drive is in bypass. I would
>> think
>> you could be able to make the Raymarine unit work on a 38.
>>> When I did my research, I concluded that the absolute best solution for
>> SuperStar would be the Nexus/ComNav HP-40 integrated linear drive (or
>> the
>> AP-23 with a separate pump), as it is fast, powerful and has up to +/-50
>> degrees of travel with the specified tiller arm length. I have not yet
>> purchased a Nexus drive unit, so I can't tell you about any firsthand
>> results...
>>> David Epstein
>>> SuperStar, #122
>>> Marina del Rey, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 12:23 PM 11/29/2011, you wrote:
>>>> I got a new one of this for free, and according to Raymarine
>>>> Support, it
>> can be installed with my ST400+ wheel pilot display.
>>>> Does anyone has installed one of this below deck drives on a C38 ?? If
>> so, any installation pics or recommendations will be appreciated!
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Max Soto
>>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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>>> --
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