[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 896
Glenn Walters 401 855 4355
bluenoseyachts at gmail.com
Thu Dec 1 10:29:45 EST 2011
Hello Mark Lewis,
My hull 13 has a wheel.
As I understand it from other posts and info from Catalina the rudder
post does not have bearings, just bushings that do wear.
Glenn #13 POIA
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> Glenn,
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> Did your boat come with tiller or wheel? I have hull #6 and it came from
> the factory with tiller. I've decided to convert, and the recommendation
> from Edson is to install a stuffing box/bearing combo at the top of the
> rudder recut rudder post.
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>
>
> Mark
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> Bluewater #6
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> Hard to believe that someone has not added rudder bearings.
>
> I am planning to do so with a new rudder and shaft. Seems doable in theory
> but if I can avoid reinventing the "wheel " so to speak that would be nice.
>
> Glenn
> POIA #13
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> Glenn,
> A boatyard owner friend of mine added Harken bearings to the rudder
> shaft of his Wilderness 40. I helped install them. He had to remove them
> later. Joe
>
> On 11/30/2011 1:21 PM, Glenn Walters 401 855 4355<tel:401%20855%204355>
> wrote:
>> Does anyone have experience in modifying and adding rudder bearings
>> rather than the standard bushings?
>>
>> thanks
>> Glenn Walters
>> POIA hull #13
>>
>> On 11/29/2011 8:55 PM, listserve-request at catalina38.org wrote:
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>>> 1. Re: Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive (Max Soto)
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>>> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:47:06 -0600
>>> From: Max Soto<maxsoto at gmail.com>
>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve<listserve at catalina38.org>,
>>> mwlewis at comcast.net
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive
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>>> Hey Mark,
>>> Here a re a few pics from the engine room and the lazarette. There is no
>>> cut out, because never had anything separating the lazarette from engine
>>> room. You'll have to remove yours in order to accommodate the radial
>>> wheel.
>>> The rudder obviously has been removed, so you can see the packing
>>> gland and
>>> the piece of wood that works as rudder stop.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, the void in my hull between the rudder post and the strut location
>>> was just filled with foam and fiberglased, so water coming from the
>>> rudder
>>> gland will go right to the bilge without accumulating in the engine
>>> room.
>>> Hopefully, the humidity in this area will drop a lot.
>>> These areas are the most neglected by myself on Estancia, but I just
>>> started working on them, hopefully they'll look great in a few weeks.
>>> Regards,
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/11/25 Mark Lewis<mwlewis at comcast.net>
>>>
>>>> Steve,****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> It looks like there is barely room for an 8" radial. Does your boat
>>>> have
>>>> a cutout in the rear lazerrette to accommodate it? See pics of my
>>>> boat.**
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Mark****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
>>>> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Smolinske
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:18 PM
>>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>> *Subject:* [C38] Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Just a technical note for everyone, our boats came installed with a
>>>> radial
>>>> wheel drive, that is the circular aluminum piece mounted to the
>>>> rudder post
>>>> that the cable runs around and terminates at the tightening ubolts. A
>>>> quadrant is an aluminum piece shaped like a piece of pie that
>>>> attaches to
>>>> the rudder post and does the same thing.
>>>> http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/wheel_conversion/pdfs/S-936.pdf
>>>> (link
>>>> to Edson Catalina 38 diagram) and
>>>> http://www.edsonmarine.com/marinestore/index.php?main_page=index
> <http://www.edsonmarine.com/marinestore/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=287>
> &cPath=287
>>>> (link
>>>> to a picture showing both) ****
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> Steve****
>>>>
>>>> #312 Peregrine****
>>>>
>>>> Seattle****
>>>>
>>>> ****
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> Hey all...
>
> Speaking of auto helms .... Does any one have any Autohelm ST4000 parts? My
> wheel drive actuator went up. Well, it started slipping, and then in a blow
> one of the internal roller ring posts snapped off and caused one of the
> rollers to rattle around inside the wheel ring unit...basically disabling my
> steering completely. (was fun pulling the ring and the wheel off to ditch
> the whole thing while underway!) anyway, my control head and power supply
> work just fine..., and up till about 10mins ago the actuator motor did too
> (stupid me pulled the motor off the ring only to see the internal gears go
> flying...guess I can put that back together)... but my wheel drive actuator
> is beyond repair. so I'm looking for a wheel drive actuator ring, either
> with a motor, or with out.
>
> Anyone got a box of parts laying around? Or know where I might find one? Do
> I really have to get a whole new system?
>
> Mark
> Momentous #230
>
> Oh yea btw... Found a nice canvas guy in Baltimore that just did a custom
> dodger for me, and is working on a complete bikini and connector too. Good
> price, very accommodating guy. Charm City marine Canvas. Thought I'd pass it
> along.
>
> Hey Phil Gay... A big thanks to you for sending me pics of your dodger...
> They helped me design mine. Pic attached.
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> On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Max Soto<maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I have the Type 1 (12in stroke), so as Davd pointed out, a small
> modification might be needed to the rudder stops, in order to make it work,
> but not that big of a project.....
>> I was planning to install it directly to the radial wheel, with only a 8"
> radius instead of the 10" tiller arm, but still it should work.. I hope!
>> This unit came with a complete Autohelm ST6000 autopilot, but is that
> old (around 20years), that is not NMEA compatible, and that's why I want to
> remove the wheel pitlot assembly and install it with the ST4000+ display.
> Despite what RM support said, now I find it really hard to make it work like
> this, but I'll give it a try. As Tom said, the wheel pilot is very easy for
> connections and maintenance, but despite the patented Troncalli's shock cord
> solution (which BTW works great most of the time!!), the wheel pilot slips
> when the wind is blowing hard and the weatherhelm increases...... So the
> linear drive should be more reliable...
>> I've heard great comments about the Nexus and Simrad/ Robertson, but
> because of the price, they are out of the question. If I don't make the
> linear drive work, I'll stick with the wheel pilot, or maybe I'll just
> install both autopilots, hopefully, the new 20 years old ST6000 might work
> and I'll have a very good back up.
>> Have someone installed any brand of drive unit directly to the radial
> wheel??? Edson used to reccomed it, but years ago, they changed their mind,
> started reccommending the tiller arms that they started producing.
>> Regards,
>> Max
>>
>> 2011/11/29 David Epstein<davidepstein at earthlink.net>
>> Max,
>>
>> Do you know if it is a Type 1 (12 in stroke) or a Type1L (16 in stroke)?
> If it is a Type 1, my notes indicate that it rated for up to a 22,000 lb
> boat, requires a 10" tiller arm, and it has a maximum of +/-35 degrees of
> rudder travel. The 1L is good up to 33,000 lbs, requires a 16" tiller arm
> as is also limited to +/-35 degrees.
>> SuperStar's rudder has about 90 degrees of travel (+/-45), so if your boat
> has similar range, you may have to modify your stops on each side so that
> you don't have a problem when the linear drive is in bypass. I would think
> you could be able to make the Raymarine unit work on a 38.
>> When I did my research, I concluded that the absolute best solution for
> SuperStar would be the Nexus/ComNav HP-40 integrated linear drive (or the
> AP-23 with a separate pump), as it is fast, powerful and has up to +/-50
> degrees of travel with the specified tiller arm length. I have not yet
> purchased a Nexus drive unit, so I can't tell you about any firsthand
> results...
>> David Epstein
>> SuperStar, #122
>> Marina del Rey, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:23 PM 11/29/2011, you wrote:
>>> I got a new one of this for free, and according to Raymarine Support, it
> can be installed with my ST400+ wheel pilot display.
>>> Does anyone has installed one of this below deck drives on a C38 ?? If
> so, any installation pics or recommendations will be appreciated!
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Max Soto
>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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