[C38] Transmission
Michael Norcross
manorcross at gmail.com
Fri May 4 21:09:14 EDT 2012
I meant after you rebuilt it. For sure it's fried from your description. Good luck.
On May 4, 2012, at 8:54 PM, "Larry Malmberg" <Larrypi at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Thank You Mike, we did check the linkage and the problem continued when
> shifting at the trans and not using the linkage at all.
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> Best regards,
>
> Larry Malmberg
>
> 7231 Boulder Avenue Suite 507
> Highland, CA 92346 PI 15211
> Telephone 909-208-1847
> FAX 909-991-7568
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> E Mail Larrypi at roadrunner.com
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> Life is short, Break the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love truly,
> Laugh uncontrollably, And never regret anything that made you smile..
>
> "The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control
> immigration"
>
>
> "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
> a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
> thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming; WOW-- What a
> Ride!"
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Michael Norcross
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 5:34 PM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] Transmission
>
> Larry et al,
> Unfortunately, I too had a problem with the shift linkage which was set up
> wrong when I bought the boat. While replacing the throttle linkage the
> "mechanic" suggested also replacing the shift linkage since he had the
> pedestle apart..which he screwed up as well. He set the shift linkage
> without enough clearance which eventually burned up the plates. We lost
> reverse primarily when it was cold and and then totally, not a good thing
> with a tail wind coming into the slip. I debated just putting a new one in
> since it cost roughly the same, but had a local trans shop with experience
> with marine transmissions rebuild it. I found a pressure plate on line that
> saved some on the job. I decided to keep the old tranny since I was having
> trouble setting up the maxprop pitch and the new transmissions had a
> different ratio, also I knew everything fit. I was in the process of
> replacing the fuel tank, so with that out of the way I had great access to
> the trans. Getting the coupling off was difficult still, but a puller
> eventually did the job. Also replaced the shaft seal since I had everything
> apart. Tranny works great now. I read the Hurth manual cover to cover but
> didnt have the guts to do it myself. If you rebuild it yourself my hat is
> off to you. Bottom line is to make sure the linkage is set correctly.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mike Norcross
> Annapolis, MD
>
> On 5/4/12, William Knowles <whk1965 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Got to agree with Tom I had all kinds of problems with my transmission
>> would not shift out of gear without turning the engine off. The yard
>> told me it was the cable and 1000 dollars later, no fix. I adjusted
>> the cable myself and it works fine, and I have a gold plated cable "I
> wish"
>>
>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Larry Malmberg
>> <Larrypi at roadrunner.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Tom, we actually tried shifting with the lever by hand and got
>>> the same results as with the cable shifting. The trans is out thanks
>>> to Mark who is cc'd on this. We have a manual on the transmission
>>> from Hurth and are going to see what we can do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Larry Malmberg
>>>
>>> 7231 Boulder Avenue Suite 507
>>> Highland, CA 92346 PI 15211
>>> Telephone 909-208-1847
>>> FAX 909-991-7568
>>>
>>> E Mail Larrypi at roadrunner.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Life is short, Break the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love
>>> truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And never regret anything that made you
> smile..
>>>
>>> "The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control
>>> immigration"
>>>
>>>
>>> "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
>>> safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
>>> broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly
>>> proclaiming; WOW-- What a Ride!"
>>>
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>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of
>>> tdtron at earthlink.net
>>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:10 PM
>>> To: Catalina 38 forum
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Transmission
>>>
>>> Hello Larry,
>>>
>>> I hate to be an "armchair" mechanic and attempt to diagnose from across
>>> America but the first thing I would do is remove the shifter cable from
>>> the
>>> swing arm on the starboard side of the transmission and try shifting
>>> manually while tied to the dock with the engine running. I know it's
>>> scarry
>>> to put your hands on a moving transmission but as long as you keep away
>>> from
>>> the output shaft and coupler, you are safe.
>>>
>>> It sounds like you may have internal problems but before you start, the
>>> Hurth is very sensitive to shifter adjustments and probably should be
>>> tested
>>> first. The shift cable should be adjusted so the swing arm is exactly in
>>> center at neutral. If the cable and swing arm are adjusted properly and
>>> it
>>> still doesn't shift properly, sometimes you can loosen the four flange
>>> bolts
>>> holding the swing arm assembly and actually move the plate around to find
>>> a
>>> place where the transmission shifts properly. I think they left some
>>> play
>>> in the mounting bolts for that very reason.
>>>
>>> If everything works fine manually shifting without the cable, you are in
>>> luck. If the transmission still doesn't operate properly by moving the
>>> swing arm manually or still makes internal noises as you indicated, you
>>> may
>>> be in for an overhaul.
>>>
>>> The hardest thing about overhauling that transmission is just getting it
>>> out
>>> of the boat. As far as transmissions go, it is pretty simple to overhaul
>>> which usually only includes a clutch pack, gaskets and end bearings
>>> unless
>>> you actually broke something which is very rare on those transmissions.
>>>
>>> If you don't want to tackle the overhaul if needed, any reputable
>>> transmission shop that works on manual transmissions should be able to
>>> help
>>> you. I was shocked to find many transmissions shops today will not touch
>>> a
>>> manual transmission even though they are simple compared to an automatic
>>> automotive transmission. The Hurth is very simple compared to any manual
>>> automotive transmission but I guess the transmissions technicians
>>> specialize
>>> now.
>>>
>>> I think I may still have the Hurth manual if you need to borrow it.
>>>
>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> [Original Message]
>>>> From: Larry Malmberg <Larrypi at roadrunner.com>
>>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>>> Date: 5/4/2012 9:29:30 AM
>>>> Subject: [C38] Transmission
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone had experience in re building at Hurth transmission or trouble
>>>> shooting one? We did the Newport Beach CA to Ensenada BC Mexico race
>>>> and after crossing the finish line started our engine, engaged the
>>>> trans forward, went into natural while dropping sails. Went into
>>>> forward and
>>> got
>>>> a terrible noise, same with reverse and on motion at all in forward or
>>>> reverse. No fishing line on the prop, shaft turns slowly even when
>>>> reving up the engine in gear. Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Larry Malmberg
>>>> Team Hassle
>>>>
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>> --
>> W H Knowles
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