[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 9, Issue 141

Wed Jun 5 14:44:58 EDT 2013

Rudder post. I hit a log this winter doing 11.5 kts across the ground and bent mine back and the rudder would not turn. I threw the anchor out and went over board and found the rudder up against the hull. Took a hacksaw and shaved part of the top off and went on my way. Hauled the boat and had the insurance company look at the damage. Tried to get a rudder from Catalina but after several months found out they shiiped the molds to Florida and have lost them. So I had a company in Canada build me a new (highaspect ratio)rudder. I havnt put the new on on yet and have been racing all season with my old one that is shaved and bent and have been winning alot and have not seen any performance differences. Side note several boats hit logs in the columbia this winter and were totaled because of structure damage. I had my keel area ultra sounded andeverything was intact. Also the other boats rudder were destroyed. I will take my old boat over a new design any day. They jsut dont make them as strong as they used to. 

Alden Andre 

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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:11:59 -0400 
From: Mark O'Dell <mixedbusinesscontact at gmail.com> 
To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org> 
Subject: Re: [C38] C38: Bent Rudder Post 
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Thanx for all the info guys. 

I'll see what I'm up against when I pull the boat this Sat. 

If I do end up having to pull the rudder? how do I do it? 

Anything to watch out for? Any instructions anywhere I could look at? 

Thanx again, 

Mark O'Dell 
Momentous #230 
Baltimore, MD 
http://www.c38momentous.com 

On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:58 PM, William Knowles <whk1965 at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Mark I did the same thing only I went backward down a wave and bent mine would only turn one way. We pulled the boat and the service guy said try a come-a-long to bend it back as I only had to bring it back 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch. I had nothing to loose. It worked fine and that was five or six years ago, still going strong just had it inspected. May ant to give it a try. 
> 
> Bill Flying Goose 324 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:35 PM, littlebreeze at comcast.net <littlebreeze at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Mark, 
> 
> Catalina still has our rudder and can ship it to you.  Last I checked it was approximately $3500. Steve S. replaced his and it was about $4200 without the post.  Remember when you disassemble the unit, everything which can break, will. 
> 
> Kerry Grimes 
> San Francisco 
> Littlebreeze, 139 
> 
> Sent from the San Francisco Bay, where you can sail all year long.   
> 
> 
> 
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> From: "Max Soto" <maxsoto at gmail.com> 
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org> 
> Subject: [C38] C38: Bent Rudder Post 
> Date: Wed, Jun 5, 2013 09:07 
> 
> 
> Hi Mark, before I  bought  Estancia, I had a Spirit 28, when ready for a weekend trip I shifted to forward, and there was a log in between the rudder and prop. The result was a bent prop blades, bent shaft, bent strut and bent rudder post, part of the fiberglass and foam were missing. 
> I took the rudder to a shop, they straighten it with a hydraulic press, and I made the foam and fiberglass repair. That was 12 years ago. The boat now belongs to a friend, and the rudder is still in very good shape. 
> If you are making offshore passages, or racing in heavy or open seas, I'll probably get a new one, but since you are always sailing in the Chesapeake, I'll give it a try and just repair it. 
> Good luck, and Hope this helps. 
> Max Soto 
> +506-8312-1367 
> Alajuela, Costa Rica 
> 
> On 05/06/2013, at 08:36, Mark O'Dell <mixedbusinesscontact at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > Hey C38ers? I had a bit of a mishap last night and I need some advice. 
> > 
> > While seeking some shelter from the wind for a headsail change on the far side of our bay we ended up finding (and hitting) an underwater obstruction. 
> > 
> > We hit pretty hard twice on the rudder. The helm shook a bit but didn't seem too bad until we realized we lost all steerage to starboard. We had full range of steering to port, but zero from center to starb. The wheel just stopped. 
> > 
> > I quickly checked all cables, the quadrant, the bilge, the dive shaft and stuffing box (no leaks, shewww!) and all was as it should be, but still no steering. 
> > 
> > I went over board a bit to see and feel what I could, but there is no seeing anything in the chocolate waters of the chesapeake, and I couldn't feel anything obstructing the rudder. 
> > 
> > After getting precarious tow back to the yard and to the slip, we made plans to pull Momentous and see what's what? so now I fear the following: 
> > 
> > If we hit while the rudder was cocked to port, we might have bent the rudder post enough to prevent the rudder from passing the centerline of the boat / hull. 
> > 
> > So? if that is the case: 
> > 
> > - Is it easy enough to pull the rudder, heat the post, and straighten it? 
> > - Is it possible to shave off the top of the rudder enough and leave the post as is? (Would heating and straightening it weaken the post at all?) 
> > - Is the post solid or hollow? 
> > 
> > Anyone have any experience with this? 
> > 
> > Typical... it's also the weekend where my wife said to me out of the blue, "Let's go cursing this weekend!" 
> > 
> > Bummed, 
> > 
> > Mark O'Dell 
> > Momentous #230 
> > Baltimore, MD 
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Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 11:27:33 -0700 
From: " littlebreeze at comcast.net " <littlebreeze at comcast.net> 
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Subject: Re: [C38] C38: Bent Rudder Post 
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Seems to me our boats are getting older and I begin to think of corrosion and pitting of the stainless post, which obviously leads to weakening of the post.  So working the post back and forth without viewing the damaged area doesn't seem to be the best course of action.  However, it would be the most economical.   

Kerry 

Sent from the San Francisco Bay, home of the 2013 Catalina 38 Nationals.   

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From: "William Knowles" <whk1965 at gmail.com> 
To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org> 
Subject: [C38] C38: Bent Rudder Post 
Date: Wed, Jun 5, 2013 10:58 
Mark I did the same thing only I went backward down a wave and bent mine would only turn one way. We pulled the boat and the service guy said try a come-a-long to bend it back as I only had to bring it back 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch. I had nothing to loose. It worked fine and that was five or six years ago, still going strong just had it inspected. May ant to give it a try. 

Bill Flying Goose 324 

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:35 PM, littlebreeze at comcast.net <littlebreeze at comcast.net> wrote: 

Mark, 

Catalina still has our rudder and can ship it to you. ?Last I checked it was approximately $3500. Steve S. replaced his and it was about $4200 without the post. ?Remember when you disassemble the unit, everything which can break, will. 

Kerry Grimes 
San Francisco 
Littlebreeze, 139 

Sent from the San Francisco Bay, where you can sail all year long. ? 

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From: "Max Soto" <maxsoto at gmail.com> 

To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org> 
Subject: [C38] C38: Bent Rudder Post 
Date: Wed, Jun 5, 2013 09:07 

Hi Mark, before I ?bought ?Estancia, I had a Spirit 28, when ready for a weekend trip I shifted to forward, and there was a log in between the rudder and prop. The result was a bent prop blades, bent shaft, bent strut and bent rudder post, part of the fiberglass and foam were missing. 

I took the rudder to a shop, they straighten it with a hydraulic press, and I made the foam and fiberglass repair. That was 12 years ago. The boat now belongs to a friend, and the rudder is still in very good shape. 
If you are making offshore passages, or racing in heavy or open seas, I'll probably get a new one, but since you are always sailing in the Chesapeake, I'll give it a try and just repair it. 

Good luck, and Hope this helps. 
Max Soto 
+506-8312-1367 
Alajuela, Costa Rica 

On 05/06/2013, at 08:36, Mark O'Dell <mixedbusinesscontact at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Hey C38ers? I had a bit of a mishap last night and I need some advice. 
> 
> While seeking some shelter from the wind for a headsail change on the far side of our bay we ended up finding (and hitting) an underwater obstruction. 

> 
> We hit pretty hard twice on the rudder. The helm shook a bit but didn't seem too bad until we realized we lost all steerage to starboard. We had full range of steering to port, but zero from center to starb. The wheel just stopped. 

> 
> I quickly checked all cables, the quadrant, the bilge, the dive shaft and stuffing box (no leaks, shewww!) and all was as it should be, but still no steering. 
> 
> I went over board a bit to see and feel what I could, but there is no seeing anything in the chocolate waters of the chesapeake, and I couldn't feel anything obstructing the rudder.. 

> 
> After getting precarious tow back to the yard and to the slip, we made plans to pull Momentous and see what's what? so now I fear the following: 
> 
> If we hit while the rudder was cocked to port, we might have bent the rudder post enough to prevent the rudder from passing the centerline of the boat / hull. 

> 
> So? if that is the case: 
> 
> - Is it easy enough to pull the rudder, heat the post, and straighten it? 
> - Is it possible to shave off the top of the rudder enough and leave the post as is? (Would heating and straightening it weaken the post at all?) 

> - Is the post solid or hollow? 
> 
> Anyone have any experience with this? 
> 
> Typical... it's also the weekend where my wife said to me out of the blue, "Let's go cursing this weekend!" 

> 
> Bummed, 
> 
> Mark O'Dell 
> Momentous #230 
> Baltimore, MD 
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