[C38] Another Toe Rail question

tdtron at earthlink.net tdtron at earthlink.net
Sat Feb 23 14:13:46 EST 2013 

Hello Group,

I cannot find the pieces of toe rail I removed from my bow and I can't find
any pictures of my bow either showing the toe rail modification so my only
documentation is from memory.  

The procedure is very easy and quick but care is needed to cut only as much
as you want and afterwards smooth all edges before painting.  I decided
where I wanted my new cleats and removed about 6" of toe rail 3 and 9
O'clock abeam from those places.  You can remove less material at first to
keep the new "fairlead" or chock as small as possible and easily remove
more later if you decide you need more clearance.

I mounted my cleats parallel to the toe rails and actually touching the
horizontal flange of the toe rails to provide the least loss of bow walking
area so the hazard of deck obstruction would be minimal.  Make the toe rail
modifications before you mount the cleats so you can file or sand the
flange before you paint the toe rail.  By carefully filing the flange so it
makes it a smooth fairlead.

The only real threat with this project is cutting into the flange when you
make the cuts.  That is why I allowed about 1/16" of material left on the
flange to be removed by file or sander after the initial cuts.  Once
finished, it will look like the boat came from the factory with this toe
rail design.

Tom Troncalli


> [Original Message]
> From: Max soto <maxsoto at gmail.com>
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Date: 2/23/2013 1:25:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [C38] Another Toe Rail question
>
> Yeah, pica!
>
> Max Soto A.
> +506-8312-1367
> Alajuela, Costa Rica
>
> On Feb 23, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Charles Finn <charles at finn.ws> wrote:
>
> > It would be great to see some pictures!
> > 
> > Chuck Finn
> > Mighty Quinn. #114
> > Great Lakes
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > On Feb 23, 2013, at 11:00 AM, PAUL NOTTE <panotte at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > 
> >>   I mounted two 8 inch cleats just aft of the factory one, which , to
me has been a pain in the butt because I anchor a lot.I thread my tie up
lines through a piece of hose slightly larger than the size of my tie up
lines and let the hose chafe on the toe rail. So far they have lasted two
years with little sign of wear.
> >> 
> >> Paul
> >> Impulse 328
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ray Torok" <torok13731 at gmail.com>
> >> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:59:47 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [C38] Another Toe Rail question
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I was looking at 9" four-bolt cleats (that's the size of the single
bow cleat that came with the boat), but 8" probably would work. Should be
interesting to see what others think. I've been using carabiners to attach
spring lines to the rail, but having two bow cleats would be really useful,
and would also make room for a bow roller for an anchor. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Ray 
> >> THIRA #37 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Max soto < maxsoto at gmail.com > wrote: 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I was also thinking about installing these cleats. Are Schaefer 8"
four bolt aluminum cleats too much?? Also, I was thinking about a cleat
amidships, but not sure if I should just get a cleat for the genoa
tracks.... What Tom did sounds like a good option if chocks are required...
Should be easy to cut the toe rail... If a real chock is required, I'll cut
the toe rail, and will look for a chock with bolts 4" c/c. 
> >> Regards, 
> >> 
> >> Max Soto A. 
> >> +506-8312-1367 
> >> Alajuela, Costa Rica 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Feb 22, 2013, at 1:35 PM, les < hlhowell at pacbell.net > wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> As all of you know I sold my boat, now Knee Deep, and she is on her
way 
> >>> to the east coast and up for sale. 
> >>> 
> >>> I had thought of this, and I don't think it is a bad idea. Ont thing
I 
> >>> thought of was using starboard to make a platform for the cleat. It
is 
> >>> dense, doesn't rust or rot and should provide a solid platform for
the 
> >>> the cleat. If this platform were to extend a bit over the edge, it 
> >>> could be rounded with a router and would provide a chafe guard with 
> >>> pretty much a slick surface which should lessen the chafing. I don't 
> >>> know if anyone has done this before or not, but asking on some
cruising 
> >>> websites might get some additional information. 
> >>> 
> >>> However, at the same time, Cleats work best when the line of pull is 
> >>> roughly in line with the cleat. I think looking at the website of the 
> >>> cleat you wish to use would be helpful. This is why the big boats and 
> >>> ships use cleats inboard with chocks for the fairlead. This ensures 
> >>> that the cleat, bits or bollock have the pull at the right angle. For
a 
> >>> potential anchor line, having a fair lead with little chafe is pretty 
> >>> important. 
> >>> 
> >>> Dockmasters don't worry about it. They choose the slip size and
double 
> >>> the size of the cleat or other line gear and just let the owners deal 
> >>> with the chafe at that end. 
> >>> 
> >>> Regards, 
> >>> Les H 
> >>> 
> >>> On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 18:34 -0800, Ray Torok wrote: 
> >>>> I'm thinking about finding a way to mount two bow cleats on the deck 
> >>>> just behind the pulpit. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Has anyone looked at cutting gaps in the toe rail and mounting bow 
> >>>> cleats in the gap? The idea would be to put them close enough to the 
> >>>> rail so that chocks are not needed (like they do on new boats), and 
> >>>> leaving the bottom part of the toe rail in place, so that lines
going 
> >>>> to the cleats rub on it rather than the fiberglass edge of the boat. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I gotta believe someone out there has already figured this out (or 
> >>>> knows why it's a bad idea). 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks, 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Ray 
> >>>> THIRA #37 
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