[C38] Another Toe Rail question

[les]

Hi, Joe,
	Another good option for racers is the "Pop up" cleats.  However they do
take a bit of engineering to mount on the 38's, but once installed are
stronger than most of the folding cleats and also leave you with a flush
deck.

Regards,
Les H
On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 19:16 -0800, Joseph Launie wrote:
> On a racing boat any cleat is a potential fouled line. We use folding
> cleats which bolt to the toe rail where ever you want them. We have
> one on each side at the bow (Bow cleat long gone because of sprit) and
> one aft of the shrouds for the spring line. We attach the line using
> climbing gear snap hooks.  Aft we use conventional cleats. New Sony
> camera ordered - pix coming. Joe
> On 2/22/2013 11:35 AM, les wrote:
> 
> > As all of you know I sold my boat, now Knee Deep, and she is on her way
> > to the east coast and up for sale.
> > 
> > 	I had thought of this, and I don't think it is a bad idea.  Ont thing I
> > thought of was using starboard to make a platform for the cleat.  It is
> > dense, doesn't rust or rot and should provide a solid platform for the
> > the cleat.  If this platform were to extend a bit over the edge, it
> > could be rounded with a router and would provide a chafe guard with
> > pretty much a slick surface which should lessen the chafing.  I don't
> > know if anyone has done this before or not, but asking on some cruising
> > websites might get some additional information.
> > 
> > 	However, at the same time, Cleats work best when the line of pull is
> > roughly in line with the cleat.  I think looking at the website of the
> > cleat you wish to use would be helpful.  This is why the big boats and
> > ships use cleats inboard with chocks for the fairlead.  This ensures
> > that the cleat, bits or bollock have the pull at the right angle.  For a
> > potential anchor line, having a fair lead with little chafe is pretty
> > important.
> > 
> > 	Dockmasters don't worry about it.  They choose the slip size and double
> > the size of the cleat or other line gear and just let the owners deal
> > with the chafe at that end.  
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Les H
> > 
> > On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 18:34 -0800, Ray Torok wrote:
> > > I'm thinking about finding a way to mount two bow cleats on the deck
> > > just behind the pulpit.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Has anyone looked at cutting gaps in the toe rail and mounting bow
> > > cleats in the gap?  The idea would be to put them close enough to the
> > > rail so that chocks are not needed (like they do on new boats), and
> > > leaving the bottom part of the toe rail in place, so that lines going
> > > to the cleats rub on it rather than the fiberglass edge of the boat.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I gotta believe someone out there has already figured this out (or
> > > knows why it's a bad idea).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ray
> > > THIRA  #37
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