[C38] Another Toe Rail question

[Ray Torok]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for getting back to me on this.  Here's another idea I'm toying
with.  Perhaps you considered it.   Suppose I drill and tap the toe rail
for the outboard bolts of the cleat?  I would have to shim under the
inboard part of the cleat, but it would get the cleat farther outboard.
 Any reaction?

Thanks,
Ray


On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 7:14 PM, tdtron at earthlink.net
<tdtron at earthlink.net>wrote:

>  Hello Ray,
>
> I had no problem with soft core wood and my cleats worked fine.  The cores
> of the Catalina are actually plywood but any wood will get soft if water
> seeps in.  As far as interference is concerned, I kept the cleats actually
> touching the base of the toe rail extrusion so my cleats were as outboard
> as possible.  You can't mount the cleats easily on the toe rail itself
> because it would be very difficult to mount washers and nuts below decks
> since the base area directly under the toe rail is behind the inner hull.
>
> I sold my boat a couple of years ago and these procedures were performed
> many years ago so I'm now working on a geriatric memory prone to error.
>
> Tom Troncalli
> Ex slave of hull #95
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ray Torok <torok13731 at gmail.com>
> *To: *Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> *Sent:* 2/22/2013 7:42:16 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [C38] Another Toe Rail question
>
> Thanks Tom,
>
> That's exactly the info I need.  I also would be interested in the photos.
>  Here's a couple more questions for you.  When you mounted the cleats, was
> there any problem with the deck core material in that area  being too soft
> (e.g., balsa), so that it was necessary to gouge it out and backfill with
> epoxy or the like?  Did you ever have problems with running rigging, like
> jib sheets or spinnaker sheets getting caught on the cleats?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Ray
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Pierre Patino <pierre.patino at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Tom
>>
>> I for one would love to see those pictures. I was thinking this weekend
>> how useful a couple of extra cleats would be.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM, tdtron at earthlink.net <
>> tdtron at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>   Hello Ray,
>>>
>>> I owned the Renata, hull #95, for about 17 yrs and cutting through the
>>> toe real for forward cleats was one of the first modifications I made.  I
>>> would do it again in a heartbeat.
>>>
>>> I used a scroll saw to cut through the rail and then I ran the saw
>>> horizontally about 1/16" above the flange cutting through the ribs.  I then
>>> used a file to finish the cut being careful not to hit the flange.  I
>>> carefully dressed the rail ends where the cut was made making a smooth
>>> radiased end to both sides of the cutout area.  I painted the cuts and file
>>> marks with black paint and it looked pretty good when I was finished.  The
>>> flange area in the cutout acted as a rub rail for the line since the edges
>>> were radiased.
>>>
>>> I think I still have the pieces of aluminum I cut out.  If I do I can
>>> photo them if you want.  I save aluminum for foundry work.
>>>
>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Ray Torok <torok13731 at gmail.com>
>>> *To: *Catalina 38 Listserve <Listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> *Sent:* 2/21/2013 9:44:13 PM
>>> *Subject:* [C38] Another Toe Rail question
>>>
>>>  I'm thinking about finding a way to mount two bow cleats on the deck
>>> just behind the pulpit.
>>>
>>> Has anyone looked at cutting gaps in the toe rail and mounting bow
>>> cleats in the gap?  The idea would be to put them close enough to the rail
>>> so that chocks are not needed (like they do on new boats), and leaving the
>>> bottom part of the toe rail in place, so that lines going to the cleats rub
>>> on it rather than the fiberglass edge of the boat.
>>>
>>> I gotta believe someone out there has already figured this out (or knows
>>> why it's a bad idea).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> THIRA  #37
>>>
>>>
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