[C38] Another Toe Rail question

[tdtron at earthlink.net]

Hello Ray,

I had no problem with soft core wood and my cleats worked fine.  The cores of the Catalina are actually plywood but any wood will get soft if water seeps in.  As far as interference is concerned, I kept the cleats actually touching the base of the toe rail extrusion so my cleats were as outboard as possible.  You can't mount the cleats easily on the toe rail itself because it would be very difficult to mount washers and nuts below decks since the base area directly under the toe rail is behind the inner hull.

I sold my boat a couple of years ago and these procedures were performed many years ago so I'm now working on a geriatric memory prone to error.

Tom Troncalli
Ex slave of hull #95


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ray Torok 
To: Catalina 38 Listserve
Sent: 2/22/2013 7:42:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [C38] Another Toe Rail question


Thanks Tom,


That's exactly the info I need.  I also would be interested in the photos.  Here's a couple more questions for you.  When you mounted the cleats, was there any problem with the deck core material in that area  being too soft (e.g., balsa), so that it was necessary to gouge it out and backfill with epoxy or the like?  Did you ever have problems with running rigging, like jib sheets or spinnaker sheets getting caught on the cleats?


Thanks again,


Ray



On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Pierre Patino <pierre.patino at gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Tom

I for one would love to see those pictures. I was thinking this weekend how useful a couple of extra cleats would be.

Thanks




On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM, tdtron at earthlink.net <tdtron at earthlink.net> wrote:

Hello Ray,

I owned the Renata, hull #95, for about 17 yrs and cutting through the toe real for forward cleats was one of the first modifications I made.  I would do it again in a heartbeat.  

I used a scroll saw to cut through the rail and then I ran the saw horizontally about 1/16" above the flange cutting through the ribs.  I then used a file to finish the cut being careful not to hit the flange.  I carefully dressed the rail ends where the cut was made making a smooth radiased end to both sides of the cutout area.  I painted the cuts and file marks with black paint and it looked pretty good when I was finished.  The flange area in the cutout acted as a rub rail for the line since the edges were radiased.

I think I still have the pieces of aluminum I cut out.  If I do I can photo them if you want.  I save aluminum for foundry work.

Tom Troncalli


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ray Torok 
To: Catalina 38 Listserve
Sent: 2/21/2013 9:44:13 PM 
Subject: [C38] Another Toe Rail question


I'm thinking about finding a way to mount two bow cleats on the deck just behind the pulpit.


Has anyone looked at cutting gaps in the toe rail and mounting bow cleats in the gap?  The idea would be to put them close enough to the rail so that chocks are not needed (like they do on new boats), and leaving the bottom part of the toe rail in place, so that lines going to the cleats rub on it rather than the fiberglass edge of the boat.   


I gotta believe someone out there has already figured this out (or knows why it's a bad idea).


Thanks,


Ray
THIRA  #37


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