[C38] bow up, stern down

[Don Strong]

Larry:
    That story about the long,rough tow is fascinating and reassuring 
about our aging beauties.
I'm especially interested in hearing that the tow sucked the stern down. 
I was warned about this
before purchasing our C38 by one of those super knowledgeable dudes (aka 
windbags),
but have never experienced it under sail.
     Stern up is what we experienced on a hugely cool sail under asym 
spinnaker last week. We finally have
our top down furler working; it is wonderful!!! The spinny pulls the 
stern up markedly on most points of sail.
More wind, more bow down. Even when we were pushing 9 knts in a perfect 
15knt wind at ca 135 degrees,
the stern was up. Of course, stern up is a problem when the dumb sheet 
man (moi) lets the wind overpower the boat;
rudder out of the water, no can steer, yikes! Let that sheet go!
D

On 3/18/13 10:33 AM, Larry Malmberg wrote:
> Right you are Don, we were towed from Ensenada Mexico to Long Beach CA when
> our transmission went out, used the bow cleat all the way and no problems
> what so ever.  Vessel Assist went about 8 knots, the bow was up high and the
> stern low.  I kept waiting for water to rush in over the stern, never
> happened though.  LOL
>
>
>
> Larry Malmberg Team Hassle
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>
> Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
> a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in roadside, thoroughly
> used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming; "WOW-- What a Ride!"
>
>
>   
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Don Strong
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:29 AM
> To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] What is the issue with C38 bow cleats?
>
> Dear Friends:
>    I have lost the thread on this post. Please remind me of it. I will
> comment, however, that our C38 central bow cleat is beafy. As evidence I
> over the experience that I, Mr Moron, had as we motored on to a mudbank
> on the way out of the harbor on our first day of ownership of Discreet
> Charm. (I will spare you the family's comments on the seamanship of the
> coxswain).
>
> The tug that was dredging our marina took pity, and his crewed rowed a
> huge line over to us. It was of such a diameter than the cleat was too
> small to take a trun. I had to use a smaller line to fasten that
> massive, greasy, muddy thing to the bow cleat cleat.. The Tug then
> dragged us across 10 meters of 4 ft deep mud while we heeled to port
> like mad. Back in the channel, I released the line. Checking the bolts
> and cleats some 12 years later, no problem.
> Don
> C38 Discreet Charm
> Emery Cove, San Francisco Bay
>
> On 3/18/13 10:04 AM, les wrote:
>> Hi, Ray,
>> 	I am reposting your question here to keep the context.
>> On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 19:45 -0700, Ray Torok wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for getting back to me on this.  Here's another idea I'm toying
>>> with.  Perhaps you considered it.   Suppose I drill and tap the toe
>>> rail for the outboard bolts of the cleat?  I would have to shim under
>>> the inboard part of the cleat, but it would get the cleat farther
>>> outboard.  Any reaction?
>>>
>> I don't think this is a good idea.  If the cleat should fail in bad
>> conditions, you would not only lose the cleat, but possibly the toerail
>> section and along with that a portion of the deck seal to the hull.  A
>> really bad situation would escalate immediately to an extremely
>> dangerous one.  Others may know the construction well enough that they
>> could advise otherwise, but this is my gut feeling.  When it comes to
>> the ocean, keeping the water out is my paramount effort in any
>> emergency.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Les H
>>
>>
>>
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Donald R. Strong
Professor,
Department of Evolution and Ecology
and
The Bodega Marine Laboratory,
University of California, Davis,
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