[C38] bow up, stern down

Joseph Launie jlaunie at cox.net
Mon Mar 18 22:53:46 EDT 2013


our top down furler record - one first place (did it right) 2 last 
places - did it wrong - all in a 14 boat fleet including a J70.  Joe
On 3/18/2013 10:50 AM, Don Strong wrote:
> Larry:
>    That story about the long,rough tow is fascinating and reassuring 
> about our aging beauties.
> I'm especially interested in hearing that the tow sucked the stern 
> down. I was warned about this
> before purchasing our C38 by one of those super knowledgeable dudes 
> (aka windbags),
> but have never experienced it under sail.
>     Stern up is what we experienced on a hugely cool sail under asym 
> spinnaker last week. We finally have
> our top down furler working; it is wonderful!!! The spinny pulls the 
> stern up markedly on most points of sail.
> More wind, more bow down. Even when we were pushing 9 knts in a 
> perfect 15knt wind at ca 135 degrees,
> the stern was up. Of course, stern up is a problem when the dumb sheet 
> man (moi) lets the wind overpower the boat;
> rudder out of the water, no can steer, yikes! Let that sheet go!
> D
>
> On 3/18/13 10:33 AM, Larry Malmberg wrote:
>> Right you are Don, we were towed from Ensenada Mexico to Long Beach 
>> CA when
>> our transmission went out, used the bow cleat all the way and no 
>> problems
>> what so ever.  Vessel Assist went about 8 knots, the bow was up high 
>> and the
>> stern low.  I kept waiting for water to rush in over the stern, never
>> happened though.  LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Malmberg Team Hassle
>> Telephone:  909-208-1847
>> Fascimiline: 909-991-7568
>> E Mail:  larrypi at roadrunner.com
>>
>> Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
>> safely in
>> a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in roadside, 
>> thoroughly
>> used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming; "WOW-- What a Ride!"
>>
>>
>>   -----Original Message-----
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Don Strong
>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:29 AM
>> To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Subject: Re: [C38] What is the issue with C38 bow cleats?
>>
>> Dear Friends:
>>    I have lost the thread on this post. Please remind me of it. I will
>> comment, however, that our C38 central bow cleat is beafy. As evidence I
>> over the experience that I, Mr Moron, had as we motored on to a mudbank
>> on the way out of the harbor on our first day of ownership of Discreet
>> Charm. (I will spare you the family's comments on the seamanship of the
>> coxswain).
>>
>> The tug that was dredging our marina took pity, and his crewed rowed a
>> huge line over to us. It was of such a diameter than the cleat was too
>> small to take a trun. I had to use a smaller line to fasten that
>> massive, greasy, muddy thing to the bow cleat cleat.. The Tug then
>> dragged us across 10 meters of 4 ft deep mud while we heeled to port
>> like mad. Back in the channel, I released the line. Checking the bolts
>> and cleats some 12 years later, no problem.
>> Don
>> C38 Discreet Charm
>> Emery Cove, San Francisco Bay
>>
>> On 3/18/13 10:04 AM, les wrote:
>>> Hi, Ray,
>>>     I am reposting your question here to keep the context.
>>> On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 19:45 -0700, Ray Torok wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for getting back to me on this.  Here's another idea I'm toying
>>>> with.  Perhaps you considered it.   Suppose I drill and tap the toe
>>>> rail for the outboard bolts of the cleat?  I would have to shim under
>>>> the inboard part of the cleat, but it would get the cleat farther
>>>> outboard.  Any reaction?
>>>>
>>> I don't think this is a good idea.  If the cleat should fail in bad
>>> conditions, you would not only lose the cleat, but possibly the toerail
>>> section and along with that a portion of the deck seal to the hull.  A
>>> really bad situation would escalate immediately to an extremely
>>> dangerous one.  Others may know the construction well enough that they
>>> could advise otherwise, but this is my gut feeling.  When it comes to
>>> the ocean, keeping the water out is my paramount effort in any
>>> emergency.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Les H
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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