[C38] Whisker pole suggestions

Max soto maxsoto at gmail.com
Fri May 17 15:43:32 EDT 2013 

Usually, the whisker works in compression, and the spi pole in tension. Larry's whisker pole bent, but the usual is that you end up with two separate pieces!

The first race I won, I had to use my 3" push button adjustable whisker, as a spinnaker pole, but is was blowing 5knts. 
Now a have a 3.5" real spi pole that should sustain almost anything....

Max Soto A.
+506-8312-1367
Alajuela, Costa Rica

On May 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Pierre Patino <pierre.patino at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the tips regarding dual usage of the pole as a bad idea. Perhaps if the pole were make of unobtainium... I'll just get a whisker-pole only. More beer available after purchase too.
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> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Ray Torok <torok13731 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree with Larry.  In my experience, spinnaker poles are shorter and stouter than whisker poles.
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>> two cents,
>> Ray
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>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Larry Malmberg <larrypi at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>> Pierre, I would NOT suggest trying to use the whisker pole for a spinnaker pole, you’ll likely bend the heck out of it.  Take it from one that knows.  LOL
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>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Pierre Patino
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>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Whisker pole suggestions
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>>> Hello people
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>>> Thanks for the very good information. I just "wasted" two hours poring over the recommendations from Forespar and I think I understand the bits I need. I agree with Ray's pole length assessment. My partner however suggested we get a longer pole in case we'd ever want to use it as a spinnaker pole. I'm not sure that's possible of even desirable (a testament of our ignorance and incompetence). We are not racers but we like to tinker.
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>>> I think the pole-stowing is the way to go. I hadn't thought about the track length and I thank Ray for pointing it out. I assumed my mast's track length must be the same as everyone's. I don't know how that's decided at new-boat purchase time but I certainly wasn't part of the process. I'm getting on the bosun's chair this weekend anyway for other repairs and will measure it.
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>>> There's a site which is quoting around $1800 for pole, chocks and car (not counting shipping). That's about 600 pints of beer or 150 standard happy hour evenings...
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>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Ray Torok <torok13731 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi Pierre,
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>>> At a recent boat show I asked the Forespar rep about this.  He steered me to the next size smaller version of the one you are looking at - part no. 402200.  This is also the one that the selection guide on the Forespar website likes http://www.forespar.com/whisker2011.shtml#C_LIST
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>>>  It telescopes out to 22 feet, which seems like plenty for anything I would do, and is significantly lighter than the 403200 (27 lbs. vs. 38 lbs.).
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>>> The Forespar guy also liked the idea of stowing it on the mast, as you never have to carry the whole thing around on the foredeck with the ends banging around, and never have to carry the full weight of it.  However, the track on my mast is not long enough to stow even the 402200 against the mast.  He suggested adding track at the top, which is probably what I will do.  It means drilling and tapping while hanging in a bosun's chair, but should be doable.
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>>> On the Forespar website, it says the 'ring' style mast cars cannot be used for vertical stowing against the mast.  http://www.forespar.com/products/sail-mast-car.shtml
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>>> That drives you to the T-125-S mast car, which is pretty pricey, and the 402201 pole, which has the inboard end fitting that goes with the T-125-S.
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>>> I suggest you go over all this with the Forespar folks before buying anything.
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>>> Good luck,
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>>> Ray
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>>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Pierre Patino <pierre.patino at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Hello gurus
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>>> I'm about to buy my first whisker pole. I'm looking at this one:
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>>> http://www.forespar.com/products/line-control-whisker-pole-aluminum.shtml
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>>> Part number 403200 (for up to 46' boats)
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>>> I don't plan on using it on the 160% genoa since there's already enough wind for the 110% jib.
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>>> I'd like to know what hardware I need for affixing to the mast where I plan to store it. I've never bought any cars for the T-track on the mast which I assume is standard 1 1/4".
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>>> Is this the only bit I need?
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>>> http://www.marine.com/forespar-rc125-mast-p-28367.html
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>>> Thanks for your wisdom and precious time
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>>> Cheers
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