[C38] Spinnaker Poles

Sat Aug 3 02:07:48 EDT 2013

I was considering a carbon pole before Transpac in 2011, Mr. Fix It on the boat Randy, said “I can fix aluminum in the middle of the ocean not so sure about carbon”, we kept our aluminum pole.   Case in point on leg 9 of the Van Isle we were screaming through race passage under spinnaker in 24 some knots, two things happen after you get through race rocks A) the wind either dies or B) it compresses through the passage and accelerates.  This night it was B we got hit with a big gust got knocked down bending the pole and then the gooseneck in the process.   The next day on the final leg we looked at the bent pole and decided it was safe to use under certain loads and angles.  We killed the fleet on the next leg using the pole to bring the A2 back for a deeper angle for a portion of the course, had we had Carbon we would not have been able to use it at all.    I would guess carbon is fine for buoy or day racing, but for longer races and offshore where options are limited aluminum IMHO is the material of choice.

Steve

#312 Peregrine

Seattle

From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Tom T.
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 10:46 AM
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"All that carbon fiber is really strong until it isn't. Then it fails catastrophically ..."

This reminds me of a few years ago when the St. Pete Yacht Club was hosting a regatta and one of the custom racing boats with a tall carbon fiber mast took a direct lightning strike.  My boat was only 150' away and at first we thought we were hit.  We saw commotion on the YC docks and ran over to help.

No one was hurt but the racing boat was taking on water and the only evidence they ever had a mast was a tangle of shrouds on deck and a pile of black dirt, formerly high priced carbon fiber mast material, around where the mast used to pass through the cabin top.

Everyone was amazed at how the mast turned to dust and fiber hair in nanoseconds.

Tom Troncalli

On 8/1/2013 9:55 PM, cat38skip wrote:

	William, 

	If the AC guys can quit whining and put their big boy panties on and get to racing and finish the qualifying on time we won't have to sail through their course. 

	All that carbon fiber is really strong until it isn't. Then it fails catastrophically ...

	Not sure who who would 'win' that contact...

	Sent from Samsung tablet 

	William Knowles <whk1965 at gmail.com> <mailto:whk1965 at gmail.com>  wrote:

	I'm sending this stuff to Sailing anarchy, may be they can have you guys sail straight though the ac72 fleet , like the MC's 32's through the optimists in Italy. It would be cool to see what an ultra-light 72 does when it hits a tank. Whoooo !

	On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:04 PM, littlebreeze at comcast.net <littlebreeze at comcast.net> wrote:

	And you'll be able to see me infront of you too. 

	Sent from the San Francisco Bay, home of the 2013 Catalina 38 Nationals.  

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	Date: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 16:42

	I suppose 'IT'S ON'  We just got a 200mm lens so we can pick out the trailing boats from the clutter on the horizon.... 

	Dave

	Sent from Samsung tablet 

	littlebreeze at comcast.net wrote:
	Yea, I figured you can't handle a jib, so you really need a spinnaker during the race this year.  That way we really see what a spinnaker looks like wrapped around your head stay.  I'll take photos for you from the stern of my boat.  Hope I have a long lens.

	Kerry   

	Sent from the San Francisco Bay, home of the 2013 Catalina 38 Nationals.  

	----- Reply message -----
	From: "cat38skip" <cat38skip at yahoo.com>
	To: <listserve at catalina38.org>
	Subject: [C38] Spinnakers for Sale
	Date: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 09:27

	Ooooohhhh, Kerry,  now the trash-talk begins!!! This is getting GOOD! 

	Maybe you should pick one up. It would more entertaining than our fouled jib last year.

	Sent from Samsung tablet 

	littlebreeze at comcast.net wrote:
	Dave, that 1.5 oz spinnaker won't help you in the San Francisco race unless Steve comes down to show you how to use it.

	Kerry

	Sent from the San Francisco Bay, home of the 2013 Catalina 38 Nationals.  

	----- Reply message -----
	From: "Steve Smolinske" <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
	To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
	Subject: [C38] Spinnakers for Sale
	Date: Wed, Jul 31, 2013 21:37

	..75 ounce, class size spinnaker available, if no one is interested, Ill
	ship them off early next week for consignment,   

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	To: rwaview9 at bigpond.com; Catalina 38 Listserve
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	Angelika the .75 is on hold until I hear back from you 

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	Hi Steve
	I know we would be interested in one just not sure which one as husband
	Gary is currently unreachable in Fiji (most likely it would be the
	standard one) Can give you a definitive answer within 24hours when he
	returns to Australia Cheer Angelika Boheme 362

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