[C38] steering post leak

Tue Aug 26 11:56:40 EDT 2014

Kerry, 

What they found is that the packing gland has worked its way up the rudder post about 2 inches,  they are going to push it back in place and fill and secure with epoxy, they didn’t feel that there was any room for any other type of gland, we have an autopilot arm attached just  under the radial drive wheel.   

Steve

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Steve are you posting photos on your site, and are you considering a different bearing packing gland system.

Kerry Grimes
Little Breeze, 139

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From: "Steve Smolinske" <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>
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Subject: [C38] steering post leak
Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 07:34

Peregrine is in the yard having the rudder packing gland deglassed to the tube.   Noticed last time out that the packing gland rotated when the wheel was turned.   Also bilge pump was going off every twenty minutes.  

Steve Smolinske

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On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, "Michael Norcross" <manorcross at gmail.com> wrote:

	 David's woes inspired me to peer into the cavern..yes, water coming in thru the rudder seal and at good clip under sail or motor.  Kicking myself, since I just hauled the boat to do a serious job on the  bottom (soda blast etc).  Below we go, water heater for sure is the first obstacle. 

	Mike

	On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:45 PM, David Stoltz wrote:

	Thanks Max.

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	On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:44 AM, "Malcolm (Max) Winter" <malcolmwmax at aol.com> wrote:

		The rudder should be supported if you are going to remove the bolts supporting the Quadrant as well as the bolt at the post attachment to the rudder. It would drop through if not supported.

		Max

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		From: David Stoltz <sportscinema at earthlink.net>
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		Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 6:06 pm
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		Hi Mark,

		Thanks for getting back to me. Does the boat have to be hauled, or can I do it with the boat in the water? Will the rudder drop if I remove the 3 nuts at the top

		of the rudder post?

		Thanks,

		David

		On Aug 19, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Mixed Business wrote:

		The only way to access the the quadrant and post and cables is through the quarter berth access. Get all the ratchet extensions you have and a breaker bar to get the quadrant loose. Seriously like All the extensions you have. One guy working in the quarter berth on his stomach and another in the sail locker in the engine access. 

		Too me and two others 4 hours to break it all loose... UNdo the cables and drop the rudder. 

		Have fun. 

		Mark

		Momentous 230

		Balt. 

		On Aug 17, 2014, at 2:06 PM, David Stoltz <sportscinema at earthlink.net> wrote:

			Hi Steve,

			I finally got around to dealing with the rudder post this weekend and discovered that there does not seem to be a way to access it, except from below deck.

			I removed the floor form the rear lazaret thinking I could get to it that way...wrong (see photo). Also checked under the both cockpit benches for possible

			access. Any suggestions?

			Also, when I removed the rear lazaret floorboard I discovered a copper strip (see photo) that did not seem to connect to anything on either end, but that could be because of corrosion. Is this something that needs to be replaced and if so, does it connect to anything?

			Thanks very much.

			Best,

			David

			<photo 1.JPG>

			On Jul 27, 2014, at 7:04 PM, S Orton wrote:

			David,  First look at the top of the gland and see if the gland can be tighten- should be 3 nuts.  If the gland is bottomed out, just add another ring of packing- 5/16" I believe.  This is the hard part, as you have to completely back off the three nuts (or bolts?) pry up the gland  cap, and put in another ring of packing into the stuffing box, and tighten up the cap.  When I say a ring of packing, I mean a linear piece of packing formed tightly around the rudder post and spliced together with a 45 degree cut.  You are not removing the rudder post cap at the aft locker, so you don't need to worry about dropping your rudder and the upper part of the gland you are working on is above the water line.  

			Good luck and as everyone will agree, this job is a bitch.  Steve O (#304)

			> From: sportscinema at earthlink.net
			> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:12:26 -0700
			> To: listserve at catalina38.org
			> Subject: [C38] steering post leak
			> 
			> 
			> Hi all, noticed more water than usual in the bilge after a round trip to Catalina. Discovered yesterday that it's coming in from the top of the rudder post
			> when under power.
			> 
			> Questions;
			> 
			> Is there a packing in there that can be replaced?
			> If so, how do I access it?
			> Is this something I can do with the boat in the water?
			> 
			> Thanks, always appreciate all your help.
			> 
			> David Stoltz
			> Andiamo #297
			> MDR, CA
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