[C38] steering post leak
Charles Finn
charles at finn.ws
Tue Aug 26 12:39:16 EDT 2014
Mighty Quinn has the same problem! I consider this a design error when
Butler changed our boat from tiller to wheel. I looked at installing a
"boot" a while back but gave up because of lack of room. I also thought
of glassing in a grease fitting that would seal much like we used to do
on prop shafts and our fresh water pumps, but just have not gotten
around to it. I find the problem on my boat is while I am underway,
especially with the motor as the boat settles aft as the prop pushes.
Following seas can be a problem as well.
Probably the best solution for me on this was installing mylar shims to
deal with rudder post wear. This significantly reduced flow!
Right now, I am living with a wet bilge.
Chuck Finn
Mighty Quinn #114
Great Lakes
On 8/26/2014 11:56 AM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>
> Kerry,
>
> What they found is that the packing gland has worked its way up the
> rudder post about 2 inches, they are going to push it back in place
> and fill and secure with epoxy, they didn't feel that there was any
> room for any other type of gland, we have an autopilot arm attached
> just under the radial drive wheel.
>
> Steve
>
> *From:*Listserve [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf
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> *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 7:44 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [C38] steering post leak
>
> Steve are you posting photos on your site, and are you considering a
> different bearing packing gland system.
>
> Kerry Grimes
> Little Breeze, 139
>
> Loyalty above all else, except Honor.
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Steve Smolinske" <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
> <mailto:SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>>
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org
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> Subject: [C38] steering post leak
> Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 07:34
>
> Peregrine is in the yard having the rudder packing gland deglassed to
> the tube. Noticed last time out that the packing gland rotated when
> the wheel was turned. Also bilge pump was going off every twenty
> minutes.
>
> Steve Smolinske
>
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>
> 206 972 6297
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:10 AM, "Michael Norcross" <manorcross at gmail.com
> <mailto:manorcross at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> David's woes inspired me to peer into the cavern..yes, water
> coming in thru the rudder seal and at good clip under sail or
> motor. Kicking myself, since I just hauled the boat to do a
> serious job on the bottom (soda blast etc). Below we go, water
> heater for sure is the first obstacle.
>
> Mike
>
> On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:45 PM, David Stoltz wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Max.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:44 AM, "Malcolm (Max) Winter"
> <malcolmwmax at aol.com <mailto:malcolmwmax at aol.com>> wrote:
>
> The rudder should be supported if you are going to remove the
> bolts supporting the Quadrant as well as the bolt at the post
> attachment to the rudder. It would drop through if not supported.
>
> Max
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: David Stoltz <sportscinema at earthlink.net
> <mailto:sportscinema at earthlink.net>>
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org
> <mailto:listserve at catalina38.org>>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 6:06 pm
> Subject: Re: [C38] steering post leak
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me. Does the boat have to be
> hauled, or can I do it with the boat in the water? Will the
> rudder drop if I remove the 3 nuts at the top
>
> of the rudder post?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> On Aug 19, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Mixed Business wrote:
>
>
>
> The only way to access the the quadrant and post and cables is
> through the quarter berth access. Get all the ratchet
> extensions you have and a breaker bar to get the quadrant
> loose. Seriously like All the extensions you have. One guy
> working in the quarter berth on his stomach and another in the
> sail locker in the engine access.
>
> Too me and two others 4 hours to break it all loose... UNdo
> the cables and drop the rudder.
>
> Have fun.
>
> Mark
>
> Momentous 230
>
> Balt.
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2014, at 2:06 PM, David Stoltz
> <sportscinema at earthlink.net
> <mailto:sportscinema at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I finally got around to dealing with the rudder post this
> weekend and discovered that there does not seem to be a
> way to access it, except from below deck.
>
> I removed the floor form the rear lazaret thinking I could
> get to it that way...wrong (see photo). Also checked under
> the both cockpit benches for possible
>
> access. Any suggestions?
>
> Also, when I removed the rear lazaret floorboard I
> discovered a copper strip (see photo) that did not seem to
> connect to anything on either end, but that could be
> because of corrosion. Is this something that needs to be
> replaced and if so, does it connect to anything?
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Best,
>
> David
>
> <photo 1.JPG>
>
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 7:04 PM, S Orton wrote:
>
>
>
>
> David, First look at the top of the gland and see if the
> gland can be tighten- should be 3 nuts. If the gland is
> bottomed out, just add another ring of packing- 5/16" I
> believe. This is the hard part, as you have to completely
> back off the three nuts (or bolts?) pry up the gland cap,
> and put in another ring of packing into the stuffing box,
> and tighten up the cap. When I say a ring of packing, I
> mean a linear piece of packing formed tightly around the
> rudder post and spliced together with a 45 degree cut.
> You are not removing the rudder post cap at the aft
> locker, so you don't need to worry about dropping your
> rudder and the upper part of the gland you are working on
> is above the water line.
>
> Good luck and as everyone will agree, this job is a bitch.
> Steve O (#304)
>
> > From:sportscinema at earthlink.net
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> > Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:12:26 -0700
> > To:listserve at catalina38.org
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> > Subject: [C38] steering post leak
> >
> >
> > Hi all, noticed more water than usual in the bilge after
> a round trip to Catalina. Discovered yesterday that it's
> coming in from the top of the rudder post
> > when under power.
> >
> > Questions;
> >
> > Is there a packing in there that can be replaced?
> > If so, how do I access it?
> > Is this something I can do with the boat in the water?
> >
> > Thanks, always appreciate all your help.
> >
> > David Stoltz
> > Andiamo #297
> > MDR, CA
> >
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