[C38] flare guns
Joseph Launie
jlaunie at cox.net
Tue Dec 30 01:35:13 EST 2014
Tom,
I live at the edge of the forest in the foothills above Santa
Barbara in Mission Canyon. It is 5 minutes from the city but actually
quite rural and isolated which is why we like it. The average home in
Mission Canyon is valued at $1,400,000 with lots going for $1,000,000
per acre. There have been some burglaries in our neighborhood and rumors
of a home invasion. The local sherrifs department told folks from our
Canyon homeowner's association that their advice was for us to get guns.
I got a Ruger M-14, Nato caliber. Any questions? Joe PS In the service I
was on the battalion pistol team firing the M1911 .45 pistol
competitively. I tend to hit what I am aiming at.
On 12/29/2014 7:11 PM, Tom T. wrote:
> We all agree that this hysteria about flare guns shooting shotgun
> shells is ridiculous but we have to accept that common sense is not
> really common.
>
> I have three boats, all with flare guns on board. All have the old 12
> gauge. orange guns and I am not about to suspend carrying them because
> they "look" dangerous.
>
> The truth is, they will load and fire a 12 gauge. shotgun shell if
> someone is stupid enough to try it. I am sure that if Olin had any
> idea how stupid the populace would become, they would not have started
> out with their 12 gauge design but it is here to stay since there are
> so many thousands if not millions of them in ownership protecting
> lives and vessels everywhere.
>
> A 12 gauge flare and a 12 gauge shotgun shell look similar but that is
> where the similarity ends. A shotgun shell uses a very slow burning
> powder to push a very heavy one ounce wad of lead shot through a
> barrel of at least 18" to get the full force of the powder's energy.
> Since the powder is very slow burning, a short flare gun length barrel
> would yield very little velocity or energy and most of the powder
> would just end up as sparks coming from the barrel.
>
> When the Taurus Judge revolver came out a few years ago, it was touted
> as a hand cannon since it could shoot a 410 shotgun shell. The
> ballistic results were nothing short of anemic because of the short
> barrel and now special 410 ammunition is made for 410 revolvers using
> quick burning pistol powder to get the energy and velocity needed for
> any defensive firearm.
>
> To my knowledge, no ammunition manufacturer has produced a fast
> burning powder 12 gauge shotgun shell so shooting a standard 12 gauge
> shell in a flare gun would yield weak results and probably endanger
> the shooter as much as anyone downrange. A flare produces almost no
> breach pressure but even a standard shotgun shell in a short barrel
> would still probably overstress the breach resulting in a ruptured
> plastic breech of the flare gun.
>
> Sorry for this long rant which probably should have been said to the
> Washington legislature when it was in session. I wonder how many
> politicians actually know anything about guns?
>
> I am aware that politics is not allowed here but when political
> decisions effect our safety, we need to pay attention.
>
> Tom Troncalli
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/28/2014 10:01 PM, Jeffry Matzdorff wrote:
>> Another sailing, flare gun ending movie-
>>
>> Dead Calm
>>
>> Jeffry Matzdorff
>> +1.323.855.0191
>> earthakat at msn.com <mailto:earthakat at msn.com>
>> www.offshoredeliveryskipper.com <http://www.offshoredeliveryskipper.com>
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2014, at 6:41 PM, "Donald Strong" <drstrong at ucdavis.edu
>> <mailto:drstrong at ucdavis.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I was a kid, a rough friend showed up with an old brass flare
>>> gun into which he shoved a 12 gauge shell, birdshot.
>>> He set it off. and it exploded to lacerate his arm. Lots of
>>> screaming and wrapping handkerchiefs around the wound. In the
>>> 70's I recall a great B grade movie in which a husband and wife pair
>>> of sailors was accosted by a horrid crew of a shrimpboat,
>>> off Louisiana or Florida. The pair saved themselves by firing a
>>> flare from the orange pistol into the face of one of the
>>> malefactors. The woman then throttled the other bad guy with a line
>>> around his neck. She wrapped the loop around a winch and cranked.
>>> Great sailing movie, better than Captain Ron; I can't find it on
>>> youtube.
>>> Those orange guns intrigue me. I am thankful never have had to use
>>> one, in any capacity.
>>> Don
>>>
>>> On 12/28/14 5:25 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>>
>>>> The guy at West Marine did say that the state was looking into
>>>> fixing the problem. You would think they would learn, a few years
>>>> ago they passed legistaltion that banned traps for hunting, well
>>>> little did they know it also included mouse and mole traps, it took
>>>> a few years to straighten that out all the while soccer fields and
>>>> parks were unusable because of the rampant mole damage.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Listserve [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Tom T.
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 28, 2014 11:44 AM
>>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] FYI
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if the brilliant legislators put in a provision to amend
>>>> this law after a certain number of boaters end up dead or injured
>>>> and numbers of vessels lost from lack of proper emergency flares?
>>>> From what history has shown us, legislative stupidity is often
>>>> eternal. May God help us!
>>>>
>>>> Since carrying flares is a federal requirement, it will be
>>>> interesting to see how this plays out.
>>>>
>>>> Less we get smug, I don't think any state has a monopoly on
>>>> stupidity. We all need to keep an active roll in our state and
>>>> federal laws to protect our boating rights. Elections have
>>>> consequences. Right now, Florida is still fighting boaters on
>>>> anchoring rights and the local communities are fighting the state
>>>> government on a state wide agreement. Good luck on that one!
>>>>
>>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/28/2014 1:56 PM, Max Soto wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, I should forget about buying them online????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Max Soto
>>>>
>>>> +506-8312-1367
>>>>
>>>> Alajuela, Costa Rica
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26/12/2014, at 22:26, Steve Smolinske
>>>> <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
>>>> <mailto:SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I pass this along not as a political statement of support
>>>> for one view or the other but just as information that
>>>> boaters should be aware of so they can plan accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Today I went to West Marine to purchase replacement flares
>>>> for my ski boat. Last election cycle Washington voters
>>>> approved strict new gun laws. Well it seems that West
>>>> Marine in Washington State no longer can sell flare “guns”
>>>> because they are not an authorized firearms dealer, and in
>>>> order to buy one a person needs to go through a background
>>>> check and waiting period. Also included in the ban are the
>>>> rocket type flares because they also “fire” a projectile.
>>>> I wonder if the USCG will give me a pass for not having
>>>> flares onboard? (I am grinning ear to ear thinking of
>>>> Larry’s reaction as he reads this)
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> Peregrine #312
>>>>
>>>> Seattle
>>>>
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