[C38] Fwd: Re: flare guns
Tom T.
tdtron at earthlink.net
Tue Dec 30 15:19:24 EST 2014
Sorry gang, I meant this reply to go to Joe Launie, not the whole
group. I wasn't paying attention.
Tom Troncalli
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Subject: Re: [C38] flare guns
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:11:58 -0500
From: Tom T. <tdtron at earthlink.net>
Reply-To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
Hello Joe,
Thank you for the reply. As I guess you guess, I am an avid shooter and
have been since a child.
The gun I used to carry most often on my 38 was a folding stock
stainless Mini-14. I could shoot it like a pistol if needed and a fun
gun to shoot any time. For offshore entertainment we would sometimes
tie a 4# fishing line to an empty beverage can and tow it behind the 38.
The can would fill with water but never sink since it would trap some
air and the forward motion of the boat kept it near the surface.The can
would disappear below a wave and then pop toward the boat giving less
than a second of flight time before it hit the water again.
Hitting the can with a little 55 grain bullet at over 3000 fps would
cause the can to explode when hit, very theatrical!
Today that gun is topped with a night vision scope and I have used it
for feral hog hunting. Night hunting is legal here in Georgia for feral
hogs or coyotes. I usually shoot a hot 62 grain reload. The bullet is
a little heavy for my old 1-12" twist barrel but it still seems to be
pretty accurate just the same and better terminal results on a thick
skinned hog.
Any other time than hunting, the Mini-14 is available and ready for home
defense.
I was in the Navy on the USS Yosemite and we had a pistol team which I
was on. We used issue 1911A1 Colts which our captain allowed us to
accuratise with better sights, bushing, barrel and trigger. The guns we
used were ships property and I always wondered whatever happened to
those highly modified guns. They looked old and worn but shot like
expensive custom 45's. It was like showing up at a cockfight with a
duck and winning!
Tom Troncalli
On 12/30/2014 1:35 AM, Joseph Launie wrote:
> Tom,
> I live at the edge of the forest in the foothills above Santa
> Barbara in Mission Canyon. It is 5 minutes from the city but actually
> quite rural and isolated which is why we like it. The average home in
> Mission Canyon is valued at $1,400,000 with lots going for $1,000,000
> per acre. There have been some burglaries in our neighborhood and
> rumors of a home invasion. The local sherrifs department told folks
> from our Canyon homeowner's association that their advice was for us
> to get guns. I got a Ruger M-14, Nato caliber. Any questions? Joe PS
> In the service I was on the battalion pistol team firing the M1911 .45
> pistol competitively. I tend to hit what I am aiming at.
> On 12/29/2014 7:11 PM, Tom T. wrote:
>> We all agree that this hysteria about flare guns shooting shotgun
>> shells is ridiculous but we have to accept that common sense is not
>> really common.
>>
>> I have three boats, all with flare guns on board. All have the old
>> 12 gauge. orange guns and I am not about to suspend carrying them
>> because they "look" dangerous.
>>
>> The truth is, they will load and fire a 12 gauge. shotgun shell if
>> someone is stupid enough to try it. I am sure that if Olin had any
>> idea how stupid the populace would become, they would not have
>> started out with their 12 gauge design but it is here to stay since
>> there are so many thousands if not millions of them in ownership
>> protecting lives and vessels everywhere.
>>
>> A 12 gauge flare and a 12 gauge shotgun shell look similar but that
>> is where the similarity ends. A shotgun shell uses a very slow
>> burning powder to push a very heavy one ounce wad of lead shot
>> through a barrel of at least 18" to get the full force of the
>> powder's energy. Since the powder is very slow burning, a short
>> flare gun length barrel would yield very little velocity or energy
>> and most of the powder would just end up as sparks coming from the
>> barrel.
>>
>> When the Taurus Judge revolver came out a few years ago, it was
>> touted as a hand cannon since it could shoot a 410 shotgun shell.
>> The ballistic results were nothing short of anemic because of the
>> short barrel and now special 410 ammunition is made for 410 revolvers
>> using quick burning pistol powder to get the energy and velocity
>> needed for any defensive firearm.
>>
>> To my knowledge, no ammunition manufacturer has produced a fast
>> burning powder 12 gauge shotgun shell so shooting a standard 12 gauge
>> shell in a flare gun would yield weak results and probably endanger
>> the shooter as much as anyone downrange. A flare produces almost no
>> breach pressure but even a standard shotgun shell in a short barrel
>> would still probably overstress the breach resulting in a ruptured
>> plastic breech of the flare gun.
>>
>> Sorry for this long rant which probably should have been said to the
>> Washington legislature when it was in session. I wonder how many
>> politicians actually know anything about guns?
>>
>> I am aware that politics is not allowed here but when political
>> decisions effect our safety, we need to pay attention.
>>
>> Tom Troncalli
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/28/2014 10:01 PM, Jeffry Matzdorff wrote:
>>> Another sailing, flare gun ending movie-
>>>
>>> Dead Calm
>>>
>>> Jeffry Matzdorff
>>> +1.323.855.0191
>>> earthakat at msn.com <mailto:earthakat at msn.com>
>>> www.offshoredeliveryskipper.com <http://www.offshoredeliveryskipper.com>
>>>
>>> On Dec 28, 2014, at 6:41 PM, "Donald Strong" <drstrong at ucdavis.edu
>>> <mailto:drstrong at ucdavis.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I was a kid, a rough friend showed up with an old brass flare
>>>> gun into which he shoved a 12 gauge shell, birdshot.
>>>> He set it off. and it exploded to lacerate his arm. Lots of
>>>> screaming and wrapping handkerchiefs around the wound. In the
>>>> 70's I recall a great B grade movie in which a husband and wife
>>>> pair of sailors was accosted by a horrid crew of a shrimpboat,
>>>> off Louisiana or Florida. The pair saved themselves by firing a
>>>> flare from the orange pistol into the face of one of the
>>>> malefactors. The woman then throttled the other bad guy with a line
>>>> around his neck. She wrapped the loop around a winch and cranked.
>>>> Great sailing movie, better than Captain Ron; I can't find it on
>>>> youtube.
>>>> Those orange guns intrigue me. I am thankful never have had to use
>>>> one, in any capacity.
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>> On 12/28/14 5:25 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy at West Marine did say that the state was looking into
>>>>> fixing the problem. You would think they would learn, a few
>>>>> years ago they passed legistaltion that banned traps for hunting,
>>>>> well little did they know it also included mouse and mole traps,
>>>>> it took a few years to straighten that out all the while soccer
>>>>> fields and parks were unusable because of the rampant mole damage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:*Listserve [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Tom T.
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 28, 2014 11:44 AM
>>>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] FYI
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if the brilliant legislators put in a provision to amend
>>>>> this law after a certain number of boaters end up dead or injured
>>>>> and numbers of vessels lost from lack of proper emergency flares?
>>>>> From what history has shown us, legislative stupidity is often
>>>>> eternal. May God help us!
>>>>>
>>>>> Since carrying flares is a federal requirement, it will be
>>>>> interesting to see how this plays out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Less we get smug, I don't think any state has a monopoly on
>>>>> stupidity. We all need to keep an active roll in our state and
>>>>> federal laws to protect our boating rights. Elections have
>>>>> consequences. Right now, Florida is still fighting boaters on
>>>>> anchoring rights and the local communities are fighting the state
>>>>> government on a state wide agreement. Good luck on that one!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/28/2014 1:56 PM, Max Soto wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I should forget about buying them online????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Max Soto
>>>>>
>>>>> +506-8312-1367
>>>>>
>>>>> Alajuela, Costa Rica
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/12/2014, at 22:26, Steve Smolinske
>>>>> <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
>>>>> <mailto:SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I pass this along not as a political statement of support
>>>>> for one view or the other but just as information that
>>>>> boaters should be aware of so they can plan accordingly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I went to West Marine to purchase replacement flares
>>>>> for my ski boat. Last election cycle Washington voters
>>>>> approved strict new gun laws. Well it seems that West
>>>>> Marine in Washington State no longer can sell flare “guns”
>>>>> because they are not an authorized firearms dealer, and in
>>>>> order to buy one a person needs to go through a background
>>>>> check and waiting period. Also included in the ban are
>>>>> the rocket type flares because they also “fire” a
>>>>> projectile. I wonder if the USCG will give me a pass for
>>>>> not having flares onboard? (I am grinning ear to ear
>>>>> thinking of Larry’s reaction as he reads this)
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> Peregrine #312
>>>>>
>>>>> Seattle
>>>>>
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