[C38] flare guns
Joseph Launie
jlaunie at cox.net
Wed Dec 31 01:08:23 EST 2014
Tom,
I envy your navy guns. We were only allowed to change the trigger
pull and used the standard "sights" Joe
On 12/30/2014 12:11 PM, Tom T. wrote:
> Hello Joe,
>
> Thank you for the reply. As I guess you guess, I am an avid shooter
> and have been since a child.
>
> The gun I used to carry most often on my 38 was a folding stock
> stainless Mini-14. I could shoot it like a pistol if needed and a fun
> gun to shoot any time. For offshore entertainment we would sometimes
> tie a 4# fishing line to an empty beverage can and tow it behind the 38.
>
> The can would fill with water but never sink since it would trap some
> air and the forward motion of the boat kept it near the surface.The
> can would disappear below a wave and then pop toward the boat giving
> less than a second of flight time before it hit the water again.
>
> Hitting the can with a little 55 grain bullet at over 3000 fps would
> cause the can to explode when hit, very theatrical!
>
> Today that gun is topped with a night vision scope and I have used it
> for feral hog hunting. Night hunting is legal here in Georgia for
> feral hogs or coyotes. I usually shoot a hot 62 grain reload. The
> bullet is a little heavy for my old 1-12" twist barrel but it still
> seems to be pretty accurate just the same and better terminal results
> on a thick skinned hog.
>
> Any other time than hunting, the Mini-14 is available and ready for
> home defense.
>
> I was in the Navy on the USS Yosemite and we had a pistol team which I
> was on. We used issue 1911A1 Colts which our captain allowed us to
> accuratise with better sights, bushing, barrel and trigger. The guns
> we used were ships property and I always wondered whatever happened to
> those highly modified guns. They looked old and worn but shot like
> expensive custom 45's. It was like showing up at a cockfight with a
> duck and winning!
>
> Tom Troncalli
>
>
>
> On 12/30/2014 1:35 AM, Joseph Launie wrote:
>> Tom,
>> I live at the edge of the forest in the foothills above Santa
>> Barbara in Mission Canyon. It is 5 minutes from the city but actually
>> quite rural and isolated which is why we like it. The average home in
>> Mission Canyon is valued at $1,400,000 with lots going for $1,000,000
>> per acre. There have been some burglaries in our neighborhood and
>> rumors of a home invasion. The local sherrifs department told folks
>> from our Canyon homeowner's association that their advice was for us
>> to get guns. I got a Ruger M-14, Nato caliber. Any questions? Joe PS
>> In the service I was on the battalion pistol team firing the M1911
>> .45 pistol competitively. I tend to hit what I am aiming at.
>> On 12/29/2014 7:11 PM, Tom T. wrote:
>>> We all agree that this hysteria about flare guns shooting shotgun
>>> shells is ridiculous but we have to accept that common sense is not
>>> really common.
>>>
>>> I have three boats, all with flare guns on board. All have the old
>>> 12 gauge. orange guns and I am not about to suspend carrying them
>>> because they "look" dangerous.
>>>
>>> The truth is, they will load and fire a 12 gauge. shotgun shell if
>>> someone is stupid enough to try it. I am sure that if Olin had any
>>> idea how stupid the populace would become, they would not have
>>> started out with their 12 gauge design but it is here to stay since
>>> there are so many thousands if not millions of them in ownership
>>> protecting lives and vessels everywhere.
>>>
>>> A 12 gauge flare and a 12 gauge shotgun shell look similar but that
>>> is where the similarity ends. A shotgun shell uses a very slow
>>> burning powder to push a very heavy one ounce wad of lead shot
>>> through a barrel of at least 18" to get the full force of the
>>> powder's energy. Since the powder is very slow burning, a short
>>> flare gun length barrel would yield very little velocity or energy
>>> and most of the powder would just end up as sparks coming from the
>>> barrel.
>>>
>>> When the Taurus Judge revolver came out a few years ago, it was
>>> touted as a hand cannon since it could shoot a 410 shotgun shell.
>>> The ballistic results were nothing short of anemic because of the
>>> short barrel and now special 410 ammunition is made for 410
>>> revolvers using quick burning pistol powder to get the energy and
>>> velocity needed for any defensive firearm.
>>>
>>> To my knowledge, no ammunition manufacturer has produced a fast
>>> burning powder 12 gauge shotgun shell so shooting a standard 12
>>> gauge shell in a flare gun would yield weak results and probably
>>> endanger the shooter as much as anyone downrange. A flare produces
>>> almost no breach pressure but even a standard shotgun shell in a
>>> short barrel would still probably overstress the breach resulting in
>>> a ruptured plastic breech of the flare gun.
>>>
>>> Sorry for this long rant which probably should have been said to the
>>> Washington legislature when it was in session. I wonder how many
>>> politicians actually know anything about guns?
>>>
>>> I am aware that politics is not allowed here but when political
>>> decisions effect our safety, we need to pay attention.
>>>
>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/28/2014 10:01 PM, Jeffry Matzdorff wrote:
>>>> Another sailing, flare gun ending movie-
>>>>
>>>> Dead Calm
>>>>
>>>> Jeffry Matzdorff
>>>> +1.323.855.0191
>>>> earthakat at msn.com <mailto:earthakat at msn.com>
>>>> www.offshoredeliveryskipper.com
>>>> <http://www.offshoredeliveryskipper.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 28, 2014, at 6:41 PM, "Donald Strong" <drstrong at ucdavis.edu
>>>> <mailto:drstrong at ucdavis.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I was a kid, a rough friend showed up with an old brass flare
>>>>> gun into which he shoved a 12 gauge shell, birdshot.
>>>>> He set it off. and it exploded to lacerate his arm. Lots of
>>>>> screaming and wrapping handkerchiefs around the wound. In the
>>>>> 70's I recall a great B grade movie in which a husband and wife
>>>>> pair of sailors was accosted by a horrid crew of a shrimpboat,
>>>>> off Louisiana or Florida. The pair saved themselves by firing a
>>>>> flare from the orange pistol into the face of one of the
>>>>> malefactors. The woman then throttled the other bad guy with a
>>>>> line around his neck. She wrapped the loop around a winch and cranked.
>>>>> Great sailing movie, better than Captain Ron; I can't find it on
>>>>> youtube.
>>>>> Those orange guns intrigue me. I am thankful never have had to use
>>>>> one, in any capacity.
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/28/14 5:25 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The guy at West Marine did say that the state was looking into
>>>>>> fixing the problem. You would think they would learn, a few
>>>>>> years ago they passed legistaltion that banned traps for hunting,
>>>>>> well little did they know it also included mouse and mole traps,
>>>>>> it took a few years to straighten that out all the while soccer
>>>>>> fields and parks were unusable because of the rampant mole damage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:*Listserve [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Tom T.
>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 28, 2014 11:44 AM
>>>>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] FYI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if the brilliant legislators put in a provision to amend
>>>>>> this law after a certain number of boaters end up dead or injured
>>>>>> and numbers of vessels lost from lack of proper emergency
>>>>>> flares? From what history has shown us, legislative stupidity is
>>>>>> often eternal. May God help us!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since carrying flares is a federal requirement, it will be
>>>>>> interesting to see how this plays out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Less we get smug, I don't think any state has a monopoly on
>>>>>> stupidity. We all need to keep an active roll in our state and
>>>>>> federal laws to protect our boating rights. Elections have
>>>>>> consequences. Right now, Florida is still fighting boaters on
>>>>>> anchoring rights and the local communities are fighting the state
>>>>>> government on a state wide agreement. Good luck on that one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/28/2014 1:56 PM, Max Soto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I should forget about buying them online????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max Soto
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +506-8312-1367
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alajuela, Costa Rica
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/12/2014, at 22:26, Steve Smolinske
>>>>>> <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
>>>>>> <mailto:SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I pass this along not as a political statement of support
>>>>>> for one view or the other but just as information that
>>>>>> boaters should be aware of so they can plan accordingly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today I went to West Marine to purchase replacement
>>>>>> flares for my ski boat. Last election cycle Washington
>>>>>> voters approved strict new gun laws. Well it seems that
>>>>>> West Marine in Washington State no longer can sell flare
>>>>>> “guns” because they are not an authorized firearms
>>>>>> dealer, and in order to buy one a person needs to go
>>>>>> through a background check and waiting period. Also
>>>>>> included in the ban are the rocket type flares because
>>>>>> they also “fire” a projectile. I wonder if the USCG
>>>>>> will give me a pass for not having flares onboard? (I am
>>>>>> grinning ear to ear thinking of Larry’s reaction as he
>>>>>> reads this)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peregrine #312
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seattle
>>>>>>
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