[C38] flare guns

Joseph Launie jlaunie at cox.net
Wed Dec 31 01:08:23 EST 2014


Tom,
     I  envy your navy guns. We were only allowed to change the trigger 
pull and used the standard "sights" Joe
On 12/30/2014 12:11 PM, Tom T. wrote:
> Hello Joe,
>
> Thank you for the reply.  As I guess you guess, I am an avid shooter 
> and have been since a child.
>
> The gun I used to carry most often on my 38 was a folding stock 
> stainless Mini-14.  I could shoot it like a pistol if needed and a fun 
> gun to shoot any time.  For offshore entertainment we would sometimes 
> tie a 4# fishing line to an empty beverage can and tow it behind the 38.
>
> The can would fill with water but never sink since it would trap some 
> air and the forward motion of the boat kept it near the surface.The 
> can would disappear below a wave and then pop toward the boat giving 
> less than a second of flight time before it hit the water again.
>
> Hitting the can with a little 55 grain bullet at over 3000 fps would 
> cause the can to explode when hit, very theatrical!
>
> Today that gun is topped with a night vision scope and I have used it 
> for feral hog hunting.  Night hunting is legal here in Georgia for 
> feral hogs or coyotes.  I usually shoot a hot 62 grain reload.  The 
> bullet is a little heavy for my old 1-12" twist barrel but it still 
> seems to be pretty accurate just the same and better terminal results 
> on a thick skinned hog.
>
> Any other time than hunting, the Mini-14 is available and ready for 
> home defense.
>
> I was in the Navy on the USS Yosemite and we had a pistol team which I 
> was on.  We used issue 1911A1 Colts which our captain allowed us to 
> accuratise with better sights, bushing, barrel and trigger.  The guns 
> we used were ships property and I always wondered whatever happened to 
> those highly modified guns.  They looked old and worn but shot like 
> expensive custom 45's.  It was like showing up at a cockfight with a 
> duck and winning!
>
> Tom Troncalli
>
>
>
> On 12/30/2014 1:35 AM, Joseph Launie wrote:
>> Tom,
>>     I live at the edge of the forest in the foothills above Santa 
>> Barbara in Mission Canyon. It is 5 minutes from the city but actually 
>> quite rural and isolated which is why we like it. The average home in 
>> Mission Canyon is valued at $1,400,000 with lots going for $1,000,000 
>> per acre. There have been some burglaries in our neighborhood and 
>> rumors of a home invasion. The local sherrifs department told folks 
>> from our Canyon homeowner's association that their advice was for us 
>> to get guns. I got a Ruger M-14, Nato caliber. Any questions? Joe PS 
>> In the service I was on the battalion pistol team firing the M1911 
>> .45 pistol competitively. I tend to hit what I am aiming at.
>> On 12/29/2014 7:11 PM, Tom T. wrote:
>>> We all agree that this hysteria about flare guns shooting shotgun 
>>> shells is ridiculous but we have to accept that common sense is not 
>>> really common.
>>>
>>> I have three boats, all with flare guns on board.  All have the old 
>>> 12 gauge. orange guns and I am not about to suspend carrying them 
>>> because they "look" dangerous.
>>>
>>> The truth is, they will load and fire a 12 gauge. shotgun shell if 
>>> someone is stupid enough to try it.  I am sure that if Olin had any 
>>> idea how stupid the populace would become, they would not have 
>>> started out with their 12 gauge design but it is here to stay since 
>>> there are so many thousands if not millions of them in ownership 
>>> protecting lives and vessels everywhere.
>>>
>>> A 12 gauge flare and a 12 gauge shotgun shell look similar but that 
>>> is where the similarity ends.  A shotgun shell uses a very slow 
>>> burning powder to push a very heavy one ounce wad of lead shot 
>>> through a barrel of at least 18" to get the full force of the 
>>> powder's energy.  Since the powder is very slow burning, a short 
>>> flare gun length barrel would yield very little velocity or energy 
>>> and most of the powder would just end up as sparks coming from the 
>>> barrel.
>>>
>>> When the Taurus Judge revolver came out a few years ago, it was 
>>> touted as a hand cannon since it could shoot a 410 shotgun shell.  
>>> The ballistic results were nothing short of anemic because of the 
>>> short barrel and now special 410 ammunition is made for 410 
>>> revolvers using quick burning pistol powder to get the energy and 
>>> velocity needed for any defensive firearm.
>>>
>>> To my knowledge, no ammunition manufacturer has produced a fast 
>>> burning powder 12 gauge shotgun shell so shooting a standard 12 
>>> gauge shell in a flare gun would yield weak results and probably 
>>> endanger the shooter as much as anyone downrange.  A flare produces 
>>> almost no breach pressure but even a standard shotgun shell in a 
>>> short barrel would still probably overstress the breach resulting in 
>>> a ruptured plastic breech of the flare gun.
>>>
>>> Sorry for this long rant which probably should have been said to the 
>>> Washington legislature when it was in session.  I wonder how many 
>>> politicians actually know anything about guns?
>>>
>>> I am aware that politics is not allowed here but when political 
>>> decisions effect our safety, we need to pay attention.
>>>
>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/28/2014 10:01 PM, Jeffry Matzdorff wrote:
>>>> Another sailing, flare gun ending movie-
>>>>
>>>> Dead Calm
>>>>
>>>> Jeffry Matzdorff
>>>> +1.323.855.0191
>>>> earthakat at msn.com <mailto:earthakat at msn.com>
>>>> www.offshoredeliveryskipper.com 
>>>> <http://www.offshoredeliveryskipper.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 28, 2014, at 6:41 PM, "Donald Strong" <drstrong at ucdavis.edu 
>>>> <mailto:drstrong at ucdavis.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I was a kid, a rough friend showed up with an old brass flare 
>>>>> gun into which he shoved a 12 gauge shell, birdshot.
>>>>> He set it off. and it exploded to lacerate his arm. Lots of 
>>>>> screaming and wrapping handkerchiefs around the wound. In the
>>>>> 70's I recall a great B grade movie in which a husband and wife 
>>>>> pair of sailors was accosted by a horrid crew of a shrimpboat,
>>>>> off Louisiana or Florida. The pair saved themselves by firing a 
>>>>> flare from the orange pistol into the face of one of the
>>>>> malefactors. The woman then throttled the other bad guy with a 
>>>>> line around his neck. She wrapped the loop around a winch and cranked.
>>>>> Great sailing movie, better than Captain Ron; I can't find it on 
>>>>> youtube.
>>>>> Those orange guns intrigue me. I am thankful never have had to use 
>>>>> one, in any capacity.
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/28/14 5:25 PM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The guy at West Marine did say that the state was looking into 
>>>>>> fixing the problem.   You would think they would learn, a few 
>>>>>> years ago they passed legistaltion that banned traps for hunting, 
>>>>>> well little did they know it also included mouse and mole traps, 
>>>>>> it took a few years to straighten that out all the while soccer 
>>>>>> fields and parks were unusable because of the rampant mole damage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:*Listserve [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Tom T.
>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 28, 2014 11:44 AM
>>>>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] FYI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if the brilliant legislators put in a provision to amend 
>>>>>> this law after a certain number of boaters end up dead or injured 
>>>>>> and numbers of vessels lost from lack of proper emergency 
>>>>>> flares?  From what history has shown us, legislative stupidity is 
>>>>>> often eternal.  May God help us!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since carrying flares is a federal requirement, it will be 
>>>>>> interesting to see how this plays out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Less we get smug, I don't think any state has a monopoly on 
>>>>>> stupidity. We all need to keep an active roll in our state and 
>>>>>> federal laws to protect our boating rights.  Elections have 
>>>>>> consequences.  Right now, Florida is still fighting boaters on 
>>>>>> anchoring rights and the local communities are fighting the state 
>>>>>> government on a state wide agreement.  Good luck on that one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Troncalli
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/28/2014 1:56 PM, Max Soto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     So, I should forget about buying them online????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Max Soto
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     +506-8312-1367
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Alajuela, Costa Rica
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 26/12/2014, at 22:26, Steve Smolinske
>>>>>>     <SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:SSmolinske at rainierrubber.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         I pass this along not as a political statement of support
>>>>>>         for one view or the other but just as information that
>>>>>>         boaters should be aware of so they can plan accordingly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Today I went to West Marine to purchase replacement
>>>>>>         flares for my ski boat.  Last election cycle Washington
>>>>>>         voters approved strict new gun laws.   Well it seems that
>>>>>>         West Marine in Washington State no longer can sell flare
>>>>>>         “guns” because they are not an authorized firearms
>>>>>>         dealer, and in order to buy one a person needs to go
>>>>>>         through a background check and waiting period.  Also
>>>>>>         included in the ban are the rocket type flares because
>>>>>>         they also “fire” a projectile.   I wonder if the USCG
>>>>>>         will give me a pass for not having flares onboard?  (I am
>>>>>>         grinning ear to ear thinking of Larry’s reaction as he
>>>>>>         reads this)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Peregrine #312
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Seattle
>>>>>>
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