[C38] Thanks Chuck
Don Strong
drstrong at ucdavis.edu
Tue Feb 16 09:48:56 EST 2016
On 2/15/16 6:22 PM, Charles Finn wrote:
> Hey folks!
> I got a weird phone call today from the publisher of our magazine
> (Catalina Mainsheet). It appears the person David is discussing
> (below) contacted them and said he was the Catalina 38 organization!
> I explained our short association with this new owner and how it
> turned out. Publisher was more than a little shocked someone would
> do this and assured me we remain the Catalina 38 Association
> associated with the magazine..... He related that in all the years he
> had been doing this No One has tried this!
> Guess it takes all kinds, but do be aware this guy is out there
> (Facebook for example) and do let our people know what is up with this
> guy if it does come up!
>
> And now I get back to my plans for re-doing the outside teak this
> spring. I am taking it down to bare wood and the first coat is
> Smith's penetrating epoxy sealer..... Then 6 coats of the best poly.
> Tried it last year on a club boat and the result was amazing!
> Anybody else tried something like this?
>
> Happy Dreams of Summer Sailing!
> Chuck Finn
> Commodore
> Catalina 38 International Association
>
>
> On 1/27/2016 1:34 PM, David Epstein wrote:
>> Garth,
>>
>> I think a little context is in order here. The C38 association is a
>> small organization, made up mostly of people who own (or have owned)
>> C38s and want to be in relationship with other C38 owners. Everyone
>> who is has a role in the association is a volunteer, and in most
>> cases are amateurs in the areas they are contributing. No one makes
>> any money from the association or any of its activities, in fact,
>> members and leaders often make expense contributions in addition to
>> paying their dues. Not to mention that most, if not all, have jobs,
>> families and boats to maintain.
>>
>> Charles has been donating his time and efforts for a number of years,
>> again for no personal or financial gain. Yes, there have been issues
>> with the web site and the listserve from time to time, but he always
>> does his best to address them as timely as he can. Overall, I would
>> say he has done a very good job, and has had a great attitude,
>> despite his having volunteered in many ways, and with few thanks.
>>
>> The dues that are paid are not for the web site, list serve or any
>> specific benefit, but rather are a way for the members to share in
>> the hard costs that are necessities of the organization.
>>
>> The association and its members have been invaluable to many of us in
>> a number of ways. The ability to connect with other owners to ask
>> questions about repairs, modifications, parts, rigging and even best
>> sailing or racing practices is priceless. The archived postings
>> allow members to research information and tips in minutes, finding
>> answers that are specific to C38 boats. The C38 literature, manuals
>> and documentation on the web site is great. It is not uncommon for
>> members to send parts and equipment to each other, or even to get
>> together to help each other out. We have facilitated regattas and
>> cruises in many places across the country over the years. Members
>> have sailed with each other and/or helped each other to improve their
>> sailing and racing abilities.
>>
>> I would suggest that instead of being critical of the technology, our
>> association and/or our volunteers' prowess, perhaps you might
>> consider how you can be an active participant in the community and
>> how specifically you can help out. If you have expertise in better
>> member communication technologies, why not offer to make that
>> contribution. I am sure that Charles and the other members would
>> appreciate any help and improvements you can contribute.
>>
>> Sorry for the long winded message, but I think it is important for
>> all of us to have some perspective on the association, its
>> volunteers, and their selfless contributions to all of us. And I, for
>> one, would like to thank Charles and the others who now serve, or
>> have been of service in the past.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> David Epstein
>> Marina del Rey, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> At 08:15 AM 1/27/2016, Garth Birdsey wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>> I was never able to open this attachment, never had access to the
>>> website OR the past listserve discussions. All I could ever see was
>>> the active comments.
>>>
>>>
>>> All I did was ask for a refund, that does NOT make be the bad
>>> guy. I didn't mean to make my comments about the website public. I
>>> made the incorrect assumption that Chuck's email conversation with
>>> me was only between he and I. Although I regret making my comments
>>> about the management of the site and listserve public I will stand
>>> by those statements!
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are satisfied using listserve more power to you. Do you
>>> realize how antiquated this method of communication is in today's
>>> electronic world?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.govdelivery.com/blog/email-communication/4-reasons-to-ditch-your-listserv/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> []
>>> <https://www.govdelivery.com/blog/email-communication/4-reasons-to-ditch-your-listserv/>
>>> 4 Reasons to Ditch Your Listserv - GovDelivery
>>> <https://www.govdelivery.com/blog/email-communication/4-reasons-to-ditch-your-listserv/>
>>> www.govdelivery.com <http://www.govdelivery.com/>
>>> 4 Reasons to Ditch Your Listserv. 2014/04/21 ; by Kelsey Lund;
>>> Communicating important information to stakeholders is a huge
>>> responsibility for public sector ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Garth
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Listserve <listserve-bounces at catalina38.org> on behalf of
>>> Greg S. Hart <ghart at follysbestrentals.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:19 AM
>>> *To:* 'Catalina 38 Listserve'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] I am trying to join the Catalina 38 site, have
>>> paid (twice by mistake) still can't log on
>>>
>>>
>>> Charles,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for trying to reasonably explain the situation and for
>>> volunteering your time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick I could not agree more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg S. Hart
>>>
>>> S/V Folly’s Best
>>>
>>> Charleston SC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Patrick [mailto:1derful at comcast.net
>>> <mailto:1derful at comcast.net>]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2016 12:54 AM
>>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [C38] I am trying to join the Catalina 38 site, have
>>> paid (twice by mistake) still can't log on
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a guy we can do without
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Garth Birdsey <garthbirdsey at hotmail.com
>>> <mailto:garthbirdsey at hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Charles,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have never been able to access the website. The have been
>>> unable to open a search on the listserve and the information
>>> that I am seeing is only of a generic nature. I have been on
>>> many owners websites and organizations and I can tell you that
>>> the Catalina38.org <http://catalina38.org> is by far the most
>>> poorly run site I have ever seen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have escalated both of my payments through Paypal to a dispute
>>> status and have asked for a refund for both payments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Garth
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> From: Listserve <listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>> <mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org>> on behalf of Charles
>>> Finn <Charles at finn.ws <mailto:Charles at finn.ws>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:20 PM
>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve; Cat 38, Robert
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] I am trying to join the Catalina 38 site,
>>> have paid (twice by mistake) still can't log on
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Garth,
>>> I am a bit confused. I got you into the listserve and I know
>>> you were sent a login password..... And I sent an email to our
>>> Treasurer to have him send you a check (as promised) for your
>>> mistake regarding double paying of dues..... But, you then sent
>>> a message to the listserve (a member only benefit) that you
>>> could not log in AND you sent Paypal a notice that you have a
>>> dispute and have escalated it to a claim.
>>> Please clarify what you are doing here. If your intention is to
>>> leave the Association we will be happy to remove you from the
>>> listserve, send the check I promised and erase what you are
>>> contesting. This has never happened before and as I told you on
>>> the phone, we are all volunteers who give our time to the
>>> organization and respond as best we can. If your expectations
>>> for service diffesr from what we are willing to provide, we
>>> certainly don't want to keep an unhappy member.
>>> Regards,
>>> cf
>>>
>>> On 1/24/2016 7:15 AM, Garth Birdsey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Please help me get logged on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Garth Birdsey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>> David Epstein
>> Audio Video Consultation & Services
>> Phone: 310.308.3083
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>>
>> DavidEpstein at earthlink.net
>> Board Member, CTA TechHome Division
>> www.cta.tech <http://www.cta.tech/> (formally CEA)
>>
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and
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