[C38] floor cut cockpit locker .

Mon Feb 13 11:10:15 EST 2006

Once, I get in there, what would be better, a snorkel or hookah? ;c)

Sincerely, 

Russ Duff
Electrical Applications Engineer
Climate Control 

RDUFF at VISTEON.COM 

Visteon Climate Control 
METVIS 
D-64 
45000 Helm Street 
Plymouth, MI  48170 

PHONE: 734-416-1511

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[mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Don Strong
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [C38] floor cut cockpit locker .

Russ: I gotta get these photos to you. 
I cut the floor completely out, gave up trying to engineer hinges to fold it
back. The bungee yanks it up under the rail and I lean back against it .
Take a deep breath before descending ( who designs these engine
compartments?).
Don

At 07:52 AM 02/13/2006, Duff, Russ (R.W.) wrote:

I think I'm getting a better idea of what things look like. At first I
thought you cut out the floor and side wall as one large L-shaped piece.  It
now sounds like the side wall is a separate piece from the floor (Thanks to
Don's comments).  You remove your sidewall first (Tom) then reach underneath
to remove the wingnuts, then remove the separate floor piece. Tom, do you
then take the floor section right out of the locker, or fold it back like
Don does?  If either of you guys could do it again, how would you do it
different/better?  Hopefully I can use what you learned. 

Everyone on this list is just full of great ideas!  

Sincerely, 
Russ Duff 
Catalina 38, Hull #112
"AVANTURA"
Lake Erie
Grosse Ile, Michigan
RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom T. [mailto:tdtron at earthlink.net <mailto:tdtron at earthlink.net> ] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:31 AM
To: Russ (R.W.) Duff
Subject: RE: [C38] Photos of Port cockpit locker mods.

Right Russ!  If you don't make your cut up the inboard side of the sail
locker, you have accomplished little.  The whole idea is to make it easy to
get into the engine compartment but by also making access below the locker
makes an added plus. 

Thanks for bringing this oversight up.  Because the inboard corner of the
sail locker will now be cut out, you will need to secure the false bottom
with screws or wing nuts from underneath to keep the false bottom secured.
I used wing nuts accessed from below but if I did the procedure again, I
think I'd just screw the bottom in place.  I wanted access without having to
use tools but reaching around and into the area below the false floor and
working the wing nuts is a royal pain.  If you drop a stainless steel wing
nut, they hide forever under the engine, transmission, etc and laugh at you
if you try to retrieve them with a magnet so I'm sure the best way to fasten
the floor down is using self tapping screws in 4 corners of the floor.

Tom Troncalli
The Renata #95
Sunny snowless St. Pete, Fla

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Sent: 2/13/2006 9:49:44 AM 

Subject: RE: [C38] Photos of Port cockpit locker mods.

If I recall, you continued the cut up the sidewall of the locker?

Sincerely, 

Russ Duff 

Catalina 38, Hull #112

"AVANTURA"

Lake Erie

Grosse Ile, Michigan

RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM 

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<mailto:Listserve-bounces at catalina38.org> ] On Behalf Of Tom T.

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:17 PM

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Subject: Re: [C38] Photos of Port cockpit locker mods.

Hi Russ and gang,

This is an old sketch of the cutout I made when I cut out my sail locker
floor.  I made reinforcements to go between the angle aluminum to pads
bonded to the hull to give strength to the floor.

I don't have a photo but you really can't go wrong as long as you don't try
to get too close to the outside edge against the hull because the hull wraps
under the sail locker and if you don't leave at least a couple of inches of
lip you won't have enough room for the angle aluminum underneath that's
needed to make a lip for the cutout to sit on.

I countersunk my bolts holding the aluminum leaving a smooth flush surface
on the sail locker floor.

Replacing the rotten wood steering stop is not fun but at least it's
possible now without being 2' tall or removing the engine.  I went back with
wood but I used cell cured treated lumber instead of standard wood which as
we now know can and will rot.

I have my water pump and water filter mounted under the forward original
section of the locker floor which is about 7" wide from the cutout to the
forward bulkhead.  Putting them there is out of the way, easy to get to when
needed, and the pump is very quiet.

I am strongly of the opinion that the sail locker should have had a false
floor from the factory but at least this is a modification that we can
easily do.

Good luck.

Tom Troncalli

The Renata hull #95

St. Pete, Fla

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From: Duff, Russ (R.W.) <mailto:rduff at visteon.com>  

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Sent: 2/7/2006 2:24:15 PM 

Subject: [C38] Photos of Port cockpit locker mods.

This year I am finally going to remove my steering pedestal to replace the
rotten wood underneath it.  To make the job a little easier, I want to cut
out the floor of the port cockpit locker like discussed in this list a
couple of years ago ('03? Thanks to Tom T. and Don Strong).  If you have any
pictures of your modification, could you please send them to me, I would
greatly appreciate it.  Thanks.  

Sincerely, 

Russ Duff 

Catalina 38, Hull #112

"AVANTURA"

Lake Erie

Grosse Ile, Michigan

RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM 

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