[C38] The Catalina Smile

[S. Orton]

I wouldn't take the chance.  Greater support at the aft end will cause a 
moment (rotation) on the keel which could put the forward end into tension 
causing the crack to open up.
Steve----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rodriguez, Enrique (Procure, ClaimNet)" 
<Enrique.Rodriguez at thehartford.com>
To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [C38] The Catalina Smile


> Why wouldn't you ask the yard to support the keep along most of its
> length?
>
> Enrique
> Talisman 1998 MK2
> Sailing from Essex, CT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of S. Orton
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:47 AM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] The Catalina Smile
>
> Our boat is an '85 and is in So Cal- no  winters.  The purchasing survey
> in
> '97 did not show a smile and two years later a smile appeared after haul
> out at which I was clueless as to the proper method of "on the hard
> support".
> The cradle was ok , but the keel was supported near the aft end. The
> yard said all Catalina's have that smile- don't worry about it.  Two
> years later at the haul out the smile grew and some of the fiberglass
> and fairing material at the smile was literally rotten and smelled
> rotten.  The smile ran halfway back along the keel stub.  We made about
> 5-8 templates, ground out the complete stub to keel mating profile all
> the way around exposing bare lead.  The grinding was tapered from the
> mating profile a good 3-4 inches up and down.  I don't remember exactly
> the depth of material that was removed at the joint, but it was
> considerable- 1/4 to 1/2 inch.  It took considerable amount of heat to
> dry area, before new material could be applied.  The rotten material
> removed was a combination of fiberglass and fairing material.  When the
> mating surface was dry, we caulked any gaps with epoxie and glass. The
> new material was layer after layer of  glass cloth and West System
> epoxie- The last few coats was epoxie thickened with silica.
> Applied the templates and sand to original faired surface.  The job took
> 4-5 days.  The smile repair was done six years ago and has not
> reappeared.  But when the boat is hauled now, I am telling the yard
> exactly where to put the keel support- as far forward as possible with
> no supports at the aft portion of the keel.
>
> Steve Orton
> Santa Susanna #304
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles" <charles at finn.ws>
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:01 AM
> Subject: [C38] The Catalina Smile
>
>
>> Catalina says the infamous "smile" many of us have discovered on our
>> boats is due to improper positioning on our cradles when the boat is
> out
>> of the water.  I have fixed (by grinding, filling, gelcoating and
>> painting) my smile three times before yearly spring launching.... only
>> to have it be there when I haul the boat in the fall.  This does not
>> rule out what Catalina says as it could be the keel stabilizing after
> a
>> winter of compression.  I do know it is not due to loose keel bolts as
> I
>> have routinely gone through the rather difficult process of tightening
>> (never found a loose one).  I also know the smile appears on other
>> Catalina models as I have seen it many times here in the north where
> we
>> all have to haul for the winter.
>> Regarding repairs on the smile.  While I have done this three times
> and
>> will probably continue, I do wonder if I am sealing moisture into the
>> repair and if this is causing even more of a problem when it freezes.
>> Any comments?
>>
>> Charles Finn
>> Mighty Quinn #114
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of David L Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 6:26 PM
>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> Subject: [C38] Keel Stub Wood Removal?
>>>
>>> I've been trying to further research this fix without too much
>>> success. Perhaps you all can help.
>>>
>>> Is procedure recommended for all Catalina 38s, or is it only
>>> recommended when a boat exhibits symptoms?
>>>
>>> If so, what are the symptoms? The "catalina smile"? Others?
>>>
>>> Who has had the fix done to their boat? Has anyone done it
>>> themselves? Any advice or cautions? Did the procedure correct the
>>> problem?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>>
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