[C38] The Catalina Smile

Sun Sep 30 23:19:32 EDT 2007

Hi,

I have a 1983 build that I believe is in the production run that has the 
smile.  My boat does not have it.  Could someone give me a description 
or a picture of it.  I am starting to get worried.

Regards,

G!enn

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S. Orton wrote:

>I wouldn't take the chance.  Greater support at the aft end will cause a 
>moment (rotation) on the keel which could put the forward end into tension 
>causing the crack to open up.
>Steve----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Rodriguez, Enrique (Procure, ClaimNet)" 
><Enrique.Rodriguez at thehartford.com>
>To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [C38] The Catalina Smile
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>>Why wouldn't you ask the yard to support the keep along most of its
>>length?
>>
>>Enrique
>>Talisman 1998 MK2
>>Sailing from Essex, CT
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of S. Orton
>>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:47 AM
>>To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>Subject: Re: [C38] The Catalina Smile
>>
>>Our boat is an '85 and is in So Cal- no  winters.  The purchasing survey
>>in
>>'97 did not show a smile and two years later a smile appeared after haul
>>out at which I was clueless as to the proper method of "on the hard
>>support".
>>The cradle was ok , but the keel was supported near the aft end. The
>>yard said all Catalina's have that smile- don't worry about it.  Two
>>years later at the haul out the smile grew and some of the fiberglass
>>and fairing material at the smile was literally rotten and smelled
>>rotten.  The smile ran halfway back along the keel stub.  We made about
>>5-8 templates, ground out the complete stub to keel mating profile all
>>the way around exposing bare lead.  The grinding was tapered from the
>>mating profile a good 3-4 inches up and down.  I don't remember exactly
>>the depth of material that was removed at the joint, but it was
>>considerable- 1/4 to 1/2 inch.  It took considerable amount of heat to
>>dry area, before new material could be applied.  The rotten material
>>removed was a combination of fiberglass and fairing material.  When the
>>mating surface was dry, we caulked any gaps with epoxie and glass. The
>>new material was layer after layer of  glass cloth and West System
>>epoxie- The last few coats was epoxie thickened with silica.
>>Applied the templates and sand to original faired surface.  The job took
>>4-5 days.  The smile repair was done six years ago and has not
>>reappeared.  But when the boat is hauled now, I am telling the yard
>>exactly where to put the keel support- as far forward as possible with
>>no supports at the aft portion of the keel.
>>
>>Steve Orton
>>Santa Susanna #304
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Charles" <charles at finn.ws>
>>To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:01 AM
>>Subject: [C38] The Catalina Smile
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>>>Catalina says the infamous "smile" many of us have discovered on our
>>>boats is due to improper positioning on our cradles when the boat is
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>>out
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>>>of the water.  I have fixed (by grinding, filling, gelcoating and
>>>painting) my smile three times before yearly spring launching.... only
>>>to have it be there when I haul the boat in the fall.  This does not
>>>rule out what Catalina says as it could be the keel stabilizing after
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>>a
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>>>winter of compression.  I do know it is not due to loose keel bolts as
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>>I
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>>>have routinely gone through the rather difficult process of tightening
>>>(never found a loose one).  I also know the smile appears on other
>>>Catalina models as I have seen it many times here in the north where
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>>we
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>>>all have to haul for the winter.
>>>Regarding repairs on the smile.  While I have done this three times
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>>and
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>>>will probably continue, I do wonder if I am sealing moisture into the
>>>repair and if this is causing even more of a problem when it freezes.
>>>Any comments?
>>>
>>>Charles Finn
>>>Mighty Quinn #114
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>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>>>[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of David L Ryan
>>>>Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 6:26 PM
>>>>To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>>Subject: [C38] Keel Stub Wood Removal?
>>>>
>>>>I've been trying to further research this fix without too much
>>>>success. Perhaps you all can help.
>>>>
>>>>Is procedure recommended for all Catalina 38s, or is it only
>>>>recommended when a boat exhibits symptoms?
>>>>
>>>>If so, what are the symptoms? The "catalina smile"? Others?
>>>>
>>>>Who has had the fix done to their boat? Has anyone done it
>>>>themselves? Any advice or cautions? Did the procedure correct the
>>>>problem?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>-David
>>>>
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