[C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
Craig Steinkraus
Navion at Charter.net
Fri May 9 21:13:17 EDT 2008
I used Spartite 8 years ago when I first bought the boat. As mentioned
earlier in this discussion, the Vasoline is used to isolate the mast from
the partner .I have pulled the mast twice since the installation, the first
time was a bit challanging, but the second time was very easy. Going back in
both times was no more challenging than normal.
Craig Steinkraus
"Wings" C-38 # 280
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les" <hlhowell at pacbell.net>
To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
> It is supposed to adhere to the mast, not the partners at least as I
> understand it. But how it goes back in I don't know?
>
> Regards,
> Les H
> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 13:52 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
>> www.riggingonly.com has different kind of wedges too.
>>
>> If I use spartite, does it has to be replaced every time I take out
>> the mast, or that's what the vaseline is for, to avoid permanet
>> bonding?
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
>> Rigrite. I forgot about them. Thanks.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Russ Duff
>> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>> "AVANTURA"
>> Lake Erie
>> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Charles
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:16 PM
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>>
>> Russ,
>> Here is one
>> place: http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Mast_wedges.html
>> Have never done business with them, but these are typical
>> wedges.
>>
>> Charles Finn
>> Mighty Quinn #114
>>
>> Duff, Russ (R.W.) wrote:
>> > OK, I searched West Marine, Defender, Sailnet,
>> catalinaowners.com,
>> > sailboatowners.com, and Catalina Direct, and I cannot find
>> mast wedges.
>> > Where else could I look?
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Russ Duff
>> > Catalina 38, Hull #112
>> > "AVANTURA"
>> > Lake Erie
>> > Grosse Ile, Michigan
>> > RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>> > AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> > [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Les
>> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
>> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> > Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>> >
>> > Long ago, rope gaskets were used to seal everything on a
>> ship, so in
>> > that sense it is probably OK, but remember that if the rope
>> is not fully
>> > impregnated it will eventually rot, unless it is nylon and I
>> am not sure
>> > what would happen to nylon long term.
>> > However, the mast partners help transfer the energy
>> from the sail to
>> > the boat hull. On our boats, the original design was to
>> shim the mast
>> > into the partners with rubber blocks to help absorb shock
>> loads, deal
>> > with flex (from the loading, and temperature affecting the
>> fiberglass
>> > and wood), and transfer the constant energy to the boat's
>> deck.
>> >
>> > With no shims, the loads are being held only by the
>> mast step (about
>> > a
>> > 1/2" aluminum plate holds the foot of the mast, and locks it
>> to the mast
>> > step). I suspect that over time, this would mean some
>> issues to the
>> > step, but you would have to ask Frank Butler or S&S about
>> that. Also
>> > shock loads may make the mast flex out of column enough to
>> strike the
>> > partners, and could cause fiberglass to crack, or the
>> partners to take
>> > more stress than intended. Again, the designers could say
>> more about
>> > that.
>> >
>> > Russ, I don't think any yard would step the mast
>> without securing it
>> > to
>> > the partners in some fashion, are you sure there are no
>> shims in your
>> > installation?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Les H
>> >
>> > On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 08:21 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> My boat came with rope three strand rope between the mast,
>> deck and
>> >> collar. A sela of silicone is at the top preventing water
>> to come in.
>> >> I had no leaks, but just in case I added mast collar seal
>> tape.
>> >> Is it ok to have rope and silicone in here??
>> >>
>> >> Max
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
>> >> Somehow, I don't see how Spartite can make the mast
>> partner
>> >> any more waterproof than a good mast boot. Am I
>> missing
>> >> something? I installed a good rubber mast boot
>> (appropriately
>> >> sealed) and have had no leaks. I also did not use
>> any shims
>> >> when the mast was installed. Can this be a problem?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> Russ Duff
>> >> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>> >> "AVANTURA"
>> >> Lake Erie
>> >> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>> >> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>> >>
>> >> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> >> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> >> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf
>> Of Steve
>> >> Smolinske
>> >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:20 AM
>> >> To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>> >> Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I've been told by both the yard and the rigger to
>> be careful
>> >> with spartite both commented to make sure you
>> follow the
>> >> directions and apply vaseline to the inside of the
>> deck ring.
>> >> If not they warned that the spartite will adhere to
>> both the
>> >> mast and the ring making it extremely difficult to
>> remove the
>> >> mast in the future. We just had a new boot put on
>> when the
>> >> mast got stepped, if we get water problems in the
>> future I am
>> >> going to use the spartite. I like the load
>> deflection
>> >> characteristics along with all the reviews about
>> how well it
>> >> seals.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> >> From: Les
>> >> Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 10:24 PM
>> >> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> >> Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:15 -0400, Charles wrote:
>> >> > By the way, I highly recommend Spartite. My mast
>> and collar
>> had
>> >>
>> > taken
>> >
>> >> > a
>> >> > beating over the years with perhaps a too zealous
>> application
>> of
>> >>
>> > mast
>> >
>> >> > shims. Spartite solved this problem and I no
>> longer get any
>> >>
>> > water
>> >
>> >> > coming in the cabin from the mast. Even better,
>> mast stress on
>> >>
>> > the
>> >
>> >> > deck
>> >> > is evenly distributed which can never happen with
>> shims.
>> >>
>> >> I'll second that. We had water on every wet day
>> coming into
>> Jace.
>> >>
>> > No
>> >
>> >> delamination or other problems, but the mess on
>> >> the cushions at the forward port settee on the
>> dinette were
>> >>
>> > miserable.
>> >
>> >> Spar-tite fixed it. And our clay dam is still
>> inplace as well.
>> >>
>> > We had
>> >
>> >> it done when the mast was pulled and painted. We
>> replaced all
>> the
>> >> standing rigging at that time as well.
>> >>
>> >> Someone asked about another location for leaks that
>> caused drops
>> >>
>> > near or
>> >
>> >> at their chain plates. On JACE the windows were
>> leaking, and the
>> >> stanchions were leaking. We redid the windows
>> (thank you
>> Catalina
>> >> Direct) and rebedded the stanchions with all new
>> hardware. The
>> >>
>> > leaks
>> >
>> >> ceased. Last week at the boat we noticed some new
>> drops.
>> >>
>> > Checking it
>> >
>> >> looks like either the toe rail (I'll need help with
>> that), or the
>> >>
>> > tracks
>> >
>> >> for the fairleads. That I can do myself, so
>> sometime in the next
>> >>
>> > week
>> >
>> >> or two, I'll take that off and fix it.
>> >>
>> >> My current project is to add solar panels. I have
>> two 65 watt
>> >>
>> > Kyocera
>> >
>> >> panels which measuer about 30x25. I am rigging a
>> support across
>> >>
>> > the
>> >
>> >> center of the dodger (still cloth) which will hold
>> a 1" stainless
>> >>
>> > rail
>> >
>> >> onto which I will clamp the solar panels. This
>> will add about
>> >>
>> > 25lbs or
>> >
>> >> so to the dodger, but should be well within
>> limits. The wind
>> >>
>> > loading
>> >
>> >> would not seem to be too great as a 2" stainless
>> pipe stand with
>> >>
>> > 1"
>> >
>> >> cross bar is one of the options for most solar
>> installations for
>> >>
>> > panels
>> >
>> >> up to 60" x 24", so mine should present less than
>> 1/4 that in
>> wind
>> >> loading because they will be shielded by the dodger
>> and mast.
>> >>
>> > Time will
>> >
>> >> tell.
>> >>
>> >> I like Max's rigid vang, and that may be one of our
>> next
>> >>
>> > purchases.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Les H
>> >> JACE
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
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