[C38] Catalina 38 in NW and Racing
Joseph Launie
jlaunie at cox.net
Sun May 11 15:15:48 EDT 2008
Alden,
If any of you do the Swiftsure Race or the other one, be certain to
get me pictures and a story for the Mainsheet. Would you be doing the
Full Monty on the Swiftsure or one of the shorter versions? Joe Launie,
Commodore, Macavity
alden Andre wrote:
> Phil, you are correct there are a lot of c-38's in the North West. 5 on
> the Columbia River alone. So I had an idea let's try to get as many
> boats together to do the Oregon Offshore (Columbia River bar to
> Victoria) and the swift sure race for 09. If we get enough boats to
> commit we could have our own class. Just a thought I am committed for 09
> for both of those races.
>
> Alden Andre
> Office: 877-550-FJ44(3544) or 503-618-1951
> Cell: 503-929-8814
> Fax: 503-907-5507
> Email : alden at clifforddevelopmentgroup.com, or alden642 at comcast.net
>
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> 1. Re: Spartite VS Mast boot (S. Orton)
> 2. Re: Spartite VS Mast boot (Charles)
> 3. Re: Spartite VS Mast boot (Duff, Russ (R.W.))
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:10:23 -0700
> From: "S. Orton" <ssorton at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
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>
> Russ, The mast flexes relative to the collar, thus the loose shims work
>
> their way out. I my opinion spartite is the only way to go. The
> advantages
> are:
> 1. The mast is held ridged at the deck level, increasing the column
> strength of the mast and reducing the horizontal punch load of
> the
> mast at the deck.
> 2. A permanent seal is formed - probably for the life of the boat.
> 3. One less thing for your spinnaker to snag on - the band clamps on
> the
> boot.
> 4. It is probably cheaper in the long run.
> The only down side is the installation time to prepare the boat and
> apply.
> You can't redo it without pulling the mast.
>
> Steve Orton
> Santa Susanna (hull # 304)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duff, Russ (R.W.)" <rduff at visteon.com>
> To: <hlhowell at pacbell.net>; "Catalina 38 Listserve"
> <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>
>
>
>> I am almost positive there are no shims in mine. I bought her in spring
>>
> of
>
>> '03 and have not removed the mast, but when I added the mast boot, I
>>
> am
>
>> pretty sure there are no shims. It looks like I will go out and get
>>
> some.
>
>> Does WM carry them?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Russ Duff
>> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>> "AVANTURA"
>> Lake Erie
>> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Les
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>>
>> Long ago, rope gaskets were used to seal everything on a ship, so in
>> that sense it is probably OK, but remember that if the rope is not
>>
> fully
>
>> impregnated it will eventually rot, unless it is nylon and I am not
>>
> sure
>
>> what would happen to nylon long term.
>> However, the mast partners help transfer the energy from the sail to
>> the boat hull. On our boats, the original design was to shim the mast
>> into the partners with rubber blocks to help absorb shock loads, deal
>> with flex (from the loading, and temperature affecting the fiberglass
>> and wood), and transfer the constant energy to the boat's deck.
>>
>> With no shims, the loads are being held only by the mast step (about
>> a
>> 1/2" aluminum plate holds the foot of the mast, and locks it to the
>>
> mast
>
>> step). I suspect that over time, this would mean some issues to the
>> step, but you would have to ask Frank Butler or S&S about that. Also
>> shock loads may make the mast flex out of column enough to strike the
>> partners, and could cause fiberglass to crack, or the partners to take
>> more stress than intended. Again, the designers could say more about
>> that.
>>
>> Russ, I don't think any yard would step the mast without securing it
>> to
>> the partners in some fashion, are you sure there are no shims in your
>> installation?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Les H
>>
>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 08:21 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My boat came with rope three strand rope between the mast, deck and
>>> collar. A sela of silicone is at the top preventing water to come in.
>>> I had no leaks, but just in case I added mast collar seal tape.
>>> Is it ok to have rope and silicone in here??
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
>>> Somehow, I don't see how Spartite can make the mast partner
>>> any more waterproof than a good mast boot. Am I missing
>>> something? I installed a good rubber mast boot (appropriately
>>> sealed) and have had no leaks. I also did not use any shims
>>> when the mast was installed. Can this be a problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Russ Duff
>>> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>>> "AVANTURA"
>>> Lake Erie
>>> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>>> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>>>
>>> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>> Smolinske
>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:20 AM
>>> To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been told by both the yard and the rigger to be careful
>>> with spartite both commented to make sure you follow the
>>> directions and apply vaseline to the inside of the deck ring.
>>> If not they warned that the spartite will adhere to both the
>>> mast and the ring making it extremely difficult to remove the
>>> mast in the future. We just had a new boot put on when the
>>> mast got stepped, if we get water problems in the future I am
>>> going to use the spartite. I like the load deflection
>>> characteristics along with all the reviews about how well it
>>> seals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
>>> From: Les
>>> Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 10:24 PM
>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:15 -0400, Charles wrote:
>>> > By the way, I highly recommend Spartite. My mast and
>>>
> collar
>
>>> had
>>>
>> taken
>>
>>> > a
>>> > beating over the years with perhaps a too zealous
>>>
> application
>
>>> of
>>>
>> mast
>>
>>> > shims. Spartite solved this problem and I no longer get
>>>
> any
>
>> water
>>
>>> > coming in the cabin from the mast. Even better, mast
>>>
> stress on
>
>> the
>>
>>> > deck
>>> > is evenly distributed which can never happen with shims.
>>>
>>> I'll second that. We had water on every wet day coming into
>>> Jace.
>>>
>> No
>>
>>> delamination or other problems, but the mess on
>>> the cushions at the forward port settee on the dinette were
>>>
>> miserable.
>>
>>> Spar-tite fixed it. And our clay dam is still inplace as
>>>
> well.
>
>> We had
>>
>>> it done when the mast was pulled and painted. We replaced
>>>
> all
>
>>> the
>>> standing rigging at that time as well.
>>>
>>> Someone asked about another location for leaks that caused
>>>
> drops
>
>> near or
>>
>>> at their chain plates. On JACE the windows were leaking, and
>>>
> the
>
>>> stanchions were leaking. We redid the windows (thank you
>>> Catalina
>>> Direct) and rebedded the stanchions with all new hardware.
>>>
> The
>
>> leaks
>>
>>> ceased. Last week at the boat we noticed some new drops.
>>>
>> Checking it
>>
>>> looks like either the toe rail (I'll need help with that), or
>>>
> the
>
>> tracks
>>
>>> for the fairleads. That I can do myself, so sometime in the
>>>
> next
>
>> week
>>
>>> or two, I'll take that off and fix it.
>>>
>>> My current project is to add solar panels. I have two 65
>>>
> watt
>
>> Kyocera
>>
>>> panels which measuer about 30x25. I am rigging a support
>>>
> across
>
>> the
>>
>>> center of the dodger (still cloth) which will hold a 1"
>>>
> stainless
>
>> rail
>>
>>> onto which I will clamp the solar panels. This will add
>>>
> about
>
>> 25lbs or
>>
>>> so to the dodger, but should be well within limits. The wind
>>>
>> loading
>>
>>> would not seem to be too great as a 2" stainless pipe stand
>>>
> with
>
>> 1"
>>
>>> cross bar is one of the options for most solar installations
>>>
> for
>
>> panels
>>
>>> up to 60" x 24", so mine should present less than 1/4 that in
>>>
>
>
>>> wind
>>> loading because they will be shielded by the dodger and mast.
>>>
>> Time will
>>
>>> tell.
>>>
>>> I like Max's rigid vang, and that may be one of our next
>>>
>> purchases.
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Les H
>>> JACE
>>>
>>>
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>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 14:15:55 -0400
> From: Charles <charles at finn.ws>
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Message-ID: <482494DB.2090904 at finn.ws>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Russ,
> Here is one place:
> http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Mast_wedges.html
> Have never done business with them, but these are typical wedges.
>
> Charles Finn
> Mighty Quinn #114
>
> Duff, Russ (R.W.) wrote:
>
>> OK, I searched West Marine, Defender, Sailnet, catalinaowners.com,
>> sailboatowners.com, and Catalina Direct, and I cannot find mast
>>
> wedges.
>
>> Where else could I look?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Russ Duff
>> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>> "AVANTURA"
>> Lake Erie
>> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Les
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>>
>> Long ago, rope gaskets were used to seal everything on a ship, so in
>> that sense it is probably OK, but remember that if the rope is not
>>
> fully
>
>> impregnated it will eventually rot, unless it is nylon and I am not
>>
> sure
>
>> what would happen to nylon long term.
>> However, the mast partners help transfer the energy from the
>>
> sail to
>
>> the boat hull. On our boats, the original design was to shim the mast
>> into the partners with rubber blocks to help absorb shock loads, deal
>> with flex (from the loading, and temperature affecting the fiberglass
>> and wood), and transfer the constant energy to the boat's deck.
>>
>> With no shims, the loads are being held only by the mast step
>>
> (about
>
>> a
>> 1/2" aluminum plate holds the foot of the mast, and locks it to the
>>
> mast
>
>> step). I suspect that over time, this would mean some issues to the
>> step, but you would have to ask Frank Butler or S&S about that. Also
>> shock loads may make the mast flex out of column enough to strike the
>> partners, and could cause fiberglass to crack, or the partners to take
>> more stress than intended. Again, the designers could say more about
>> that.
>>
>> Russ, I don't think any yard would step the mast without
>>
> securing it
>
>> to
>> the partners in some fashion, are you sure there are no shims in your
>> installation?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Les H
>>
>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 08:21 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My boat came with rope three strand rope between the mast, deck and
>>> collar. A sela of silicone is at the top preventing water to come in.
>>> I had no leaks, but just in case I added mast collar seal tape.
>>> Is it ok to have rope and silicone in here??
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
>>> Somehow, I don't see how Spartite can make the mast partner
>>> any more waterproof than a good mast boot. Am I missing
>>> something? I installed a good rubber mast boot (appropriately
>>> sealed) and have had no leaks. I also did not use any shims
>>> when the mast was installed. Can this be a problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Russ Duff
>>> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>>> "AVANTURA"
>>> Lake Erie
>>> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>>> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>>>
>>> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>> Smolinske
>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:20 AM
>>> To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been told by both the yard and the rigger to be careful
>>> with spartite both commented to make sure you follow the
>>> directions and apply vaseline to the inside of the deck ring.
>>> If not they warned that the spartite will adhere to both the
>>> mast and the ring making it extremely difficult to remove the
>>> mast in the future. We just had a new boot put on when the
>>> mast got stepped, if we get water problems in the future I am
>>> going to use the spartite. I like the load deflection
>>> characteristics along with all the reviews about how well it
>>> seals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
>>> From: Les
>>> Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 10:24 PM
>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:15 -0400, Charles wrote:
>>> > By the way, I highly recommend Spartite. My mast and
>>>
> collar had
>
>>>
>>>
>> taken
>>
>>
>>> > a
>>> > beating over the years with perhaps a too zealous
>>>
> application of
>
>>>
>>>
>> mast
>>
>>
>>> > shims. Spartite solved this problem and I no longer get
>>>
> any
>
>>>
>>>
>> water
>>
>>
>>> > coming in the cabin from the mast. Even better, mast
>>>
> stress on
>
>>>
>>>
>> the
>>
>>
>>> > deck
>>> > is evenly distributed which can never happen with shims.
>>>
>>> I'll second that. We had water on every wet day coming into
>>>
> Jace.
>
>>>
>>>
>> No
>>
>>
>>> delamination or other problems, but the mess on
>>> the cushions at the forward port settee on the dinette were
>>>
>>>
>> miserable.
>>
>>
>>> Spar-tite fixed it. And our clay dam is still inplace as
>>>
> well.
>
>>>
>>>
>> We had
>>
>>
>>> it done when the mast was pulled and painted. We replaced
>>>
> all the
>
>>> standing rigging at that time as well.
>>>
>>> Someone asked about another location for leaks that caused
>>>
> drops
>
>>>
>>>
>> near or
>>
>>
>>> at their chain plates. On JACE the windows were leaking, and
>>>
> the
>
>>> stanchions were leaking. We redid the windows (thank you
>>>
> Catalina
>
>>> Direct) and rebedded the stanchions with all new hardware.
>>>
> The
>
>>>
>>>
>> leaks
>>
>>
>>> ceased. Last week at the boat we noticed some new drops.
>>>
>>>
>> Checking it
>>
>>
>>> looks like either the toe rail (I'll need help with that), or
>>>
> the
>
>>>
>>>
>> tracks
>>
>>
>>> for the fairleads. That I can do myself, so sometime in the
>>>
> next
>
>>>
>>>
>> week
>>
>>
>>> or two, I'll take that off and fix it.
>>>
>>> My current project is to add solar panels. I have two 65
>>>
> watt
>
>>>
>>>
>> Kyocera
>>
>>
>>> panels which measuer about 30x25. I am rigging a support
>>>
> across
>
>>>
>>>
>> the
>>
>>
>>> center of the dodger (still cloth) which will hold a 1"
>>>
> stainless
>
>>>
>>>
>> rail
>>
>>
>>> onto which I will clamp the solar panels. This will add
>>>
> about
>
>>>
>>>
>> 25lbs or
>>
>>
>>> so to the dodger, but should be well within limits. The wind
>>>
>>>
>> loading
>>
>>
>>> would not seem to be too great as a 2" stainless pipe stand
>>>
> with
>
>>>
>>>
>> 1"
>>
>>
>>> cross bar is one of the options for most solar installations
>>>
> for
>
>>>
>>>
>> panels
>>
>>
>>> up to 60" x 24", so mine should present less than 1/4 that in
>>>
> wind
>
>>> loading because they will be shielded by the dodger and mast.
>>>
>>>
>> Time will
>>
>>
>>> tell.
>>>
>>> I like Max's rigid vang, and that may be one of our next
>>>
>>>
>> purchases.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Les H
>>> JACE
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Listserve mailing list
>>> Listserve at catalina38.org
>>>
>>>
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>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Max Soto
>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Listserve mailing list
>>> Listserve at catalina38.org
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>>>
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:21:21 -0400
> From: "Duff, Russ (R.W.)" <rduff at visteon.com>
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Message-ID:
>
> <9247DE6E9F2A6E4888AF8253506BF9D512832002 at vistex101.vlgdc.visteon.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Rigrite. I forgot about them. Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Russ Duff
> Catalina 38, Hull #112
> "AVANTURA"
> Lake Erie
> Grosse Ile, Michigan
> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Charles
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:16 PM
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>
> Russ,
> Here is one place:
> http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Mast_wedges.html
> Have never done business with them, but these are typical wedges.
>
> Charles Finn
> Mighty Quinn #114
>
> Duff, Russ (R.W.) wrote:
>
>> OK, I searched West Marine, Defender, Sailnet, catalinaowners.com,
>> sailboatowners.com, and Catalina Direct, and I cannot find mast
>>
> wedges.
>
>> Where else could I look?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Russ Duff
>> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>> "AVANTURA"
>> Lake Erie
>> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Les
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>> Subject: Re: [C38] Spartite VS Mast boot
>>
>> Long ago, rope gaskets were used to seal everything on a ship, so in
>> that sense it is probably OK, but remember that if the rope is not
>>
> fully
>
>> impregnated it will eventually rot, unless it is nylon and I am not
>>
> sure
>
>> what would happen to nylon long term.
>> However, the mast partners help transfer the energy from the
>>
> sail to
>
>> the boat hull. On our boats, the original design was to shim the mast
>> into the partners with rubber blocks to help absorb shock loads, deal
>> with flex (from the loading, and temperature affecting the fiberglass
>> and wood), and transfer the constant energy to the boat's deck.
>>
>> With no shims, the loads are being held only by the mast step
>>
> (about
>
>> a
>> 1/2" aluminum plate holds the foot of the mast, and locks it to the
>>
> mast
>
>> step). I suspect that over time, this would mean some issues to the
>> step, but you would have to ask Frank Butler or S&S about that. Also
>> shock loads may make the mast flex out of column enough to strike the
>> partners, and could cause fiberglass to crack, or the partners to take
>> more stress than intended. Again, the designers could say more about
>> that.
>>
>> Russ, I don't think any yard would step the mast without
>>
> securing it
>
>> to
>> the partners in some fashion, are you sure there are no shims in your
>> installation?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Les H
>>
>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 08:21 -0600, Max Soto wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My boat came with rope three strand rope between the mast, deck and
>>> collar. A sela of silicone is at the top preventing water to come in.
>>> I had no leaks, but just in case I added mast collar seal tape.
>>> Is it ok to have rope and silicone in here??
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/5/9, Duff, Russ (R.W.) <rduff at visteon.com>:
>>> Somehow, I don't see how Spartite can make the mast partner
>>> any more waterproof than a good mast boot. Am I missing
>>> something? I installed a good rubber mast boot (appropriately
>>> sealed) and have had no leaks. I also did not use any shims
>>> when the mast was installed. Can this be a problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Russ Duff
>>> Catalina 38, Hull #112
>>> "AVANTURA"
>>> Lake Erie
>>> Grosse Ile, Michigan
>>> RDUFF AT VISTEON DOT COM
>>>
>>> AVANTURA AT COMCAST DOT NET
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>>> Smolinske
>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:20 AM
>>> To: hlhowell at pacbell.net; Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been told by both the yard and the rigger to be careful
>>> with spartite both commented to make sure you follow the
>>> directions and apply vaseline to the inside of the deck ring.
>>> If not they warned that the spartite will adhere to both the
>>> mast and the ring making it extremely difficult to remove the
>>> mast in the future. We just had a new boot put on when the
>>> mast got stepped, if we get water problems in the future I am
>>> going to use the spartite. I like the load deflection
>>> characteristics along with all the reviews about how well it
>>> seals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
>>> From: Les
>>> Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 10:24 PM
>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] Bedding Shrouds and leaks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 00:15 -0400, Charles wrote:
>>> > By the way, I highly recommend Spartite. My mast and
>>>
> collar
> had
>
>>>
>>>
>> taken
>>
>>
>>> > a
>>> > beating over the years with perhaps a too zealous
>>>
> application
> of
>
>>>
>>>
>> mast
>>
>>
>>> > shims. Spartite solved this problem and I no longer get
>>>
> any
>
>>>
>>>
>> water
>>
>>
>>> > coming in the cabin from the mast. Even better, mast
>>>
> stress on
>
>>>
>>>
>> the
>>
>>
>>> > deck
>>> > is evenly distributed which can never happen with shims.
>>>
>>> I'll second that. We had water on every wet day coming into
>>>
> Jace.
>
>>>
>>>
>> No
>>
>>
>>> delamination or other problems, but the mess on
>>> the cushions at the forward port settee on the dinette were
>>>
>>>
>> miserable.
>>
>>
>>> Spar-tite fixed it. And our clay dam is still inplace as
>>>
> well.
>
>>>
>>>
>> We had
>>
>>
>>> it done when the mast was pulled and painted. We replaced
>>>
> all
> the
>
>>> standing rigging at that time as well.
>>>
>>> Someone asked about another location for leaks that caused
>>>
> drops
>
>>>
>>>
>> near or
>>
>>
>>> at their chain plates. On JACE the windows were leaking, and
>>>
> the
>
>>> stanchions were leaking. We redid the windows (thank you
>>>
> Catalina
>
>>> Direct) and rebedded the stanchions with all new hardware.
>>>
> The
>
>>>
>>>
>> leaks
>>
>>
>>> ceased. Last week at the boat we noticed some new drops.
>>>
>>>
>> Checking it
>>
>>
>>> looks like either the toe rail (I'll need help with that), or
>>>
> the
>
>>>
>>>
>> tracks
>>
>>
>>> for the fairleads. That I can do myself, so sometime in the
>>>
> next
>
>>>
>>>
>> week
>>
>>
>>> or two, I'll take that off and fix it.
>>>
>>> My current project is to add solar panels. I have two 65
>>>
> watt
>
>>>
>>>
>> Kyocera
>>
>>
>>> panels which measuer about 30x25. I am rigging a support
>>>
> across
>
>>>
>>>
>> the
>>
>>
>>> center of the dodger (still cloth) which will hold a 1"
>>>
> stainless
>
>>>
>>>
>> rail
>>
>>
>>> onto which I will clamp the solar panels. This will add
>>>
> about
>
>>>
>>>
>> 25lbs or
>>
>>
>>> so to the dodger, but should be well within limits. The wind
>>>
>>>
>> loading
>>
>>
>>> would not seem to be too great as a 2" stainless pipe stand
>>>
> with
>
>>>
>>>
>> 1"
>>
>>
>>> cross bar is one of the options for most solar installations
>>>
> for
>
>>>
>>>
>> panels
>>
>>
>>> up to 60" x 24", so mine should present less than 1/4 that in
>>>
> wind
>
>>> loading because they will be shielded by the dodger and mast.
>>>
>>>
>> Time will
>>
>>
>>> tell.
>>>
>>> I like Max's rigid vang, and that may be one of our next
>>>
>>>
>> purchases.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Les H
>>> JACE
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Max Soto
>>> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
>>> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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