[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 4, Issue 9

Chris Johnson cjohnson at kainsurance.com
Mon Jan 28 12:18:08 EST 2008


Thanks for the information Les
I too have the Mercury 9.9 that is about 11 years old...the old blue
stripe one...
Anyway, I got the "brown or rust" spotting going on and there is no way
to remove it. It is staining from the inside out, so scrubbing is not
working. Solvents not working....
I am going the SS in Chicago to look at the latest and greatest.  I have
a local dealer her in MN that sells AB & Zodiac. I am convinced, at this
point, to go with the RIB type bottom. I will be hanging it off the back
of my 387 with davits. The weight is only slightly more than wood
floors. Maybe 12-15 lbs. A friend has a RIB and it flies with an old
10hp on it! 
Anyway, AB also makes one with an aluminum floor that is smaller, but
very expensive. I am leaning toward the Zodiac 310 or the Walker Bay
Genesis RIB

Still months from soft water,

Chris  
Chinook 387  # 26

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   1. Re: inflatable tenders (Bit of an Essay) (Les)
   2. hauling for bottom painting (Patrick Harpole)
   3. Re: inflatable tenders (Joseph Launie)


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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:16:44 -0800
From: Les <hlhowell at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [C38] inflatable tenders (Bit of an Essay)
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Sorry to be so long winded, but I have discovered that dinghys inspire
me somewhat...

Nancy and I now have an Achilles hypalon.  Our previous dinghy was a
Quicksilver PVC.  The PVC dinghy lasted about 6 years, then began to
acquire some dark sticky stuff on its tubes and inflatable floor.  I was
told that this was the stuff that kept it flexible.  I learned that this
could be cleaned up with Goo-gone ( Xylene seems to be the primary
ingredient).  I used this to clean the dinghy off.  Then I contacted
Mercury's Quicksilver division to get some idea of the failure mode of
the dinghy and expected remaining life, but got no response.  Thus we
went with the Hypalon dinghy on the next iteration.  I haven't had to
patch the dinghy yet, but I do have some stuff I glued on, which is not
holding as well as I would like.  I had some repairs done because the
webbing was tearing off that held the D rings for the scramble line (the
rope around the top edge of the tubes).  That was covered under
warrantee. 
 
	The Quicksilver had been patched a few times.  I tend to be
gentle with my dinghy's. 

	Both had the inflatable floor.  The dinghy prior to these was an
11'6"
avon.  It was the kind that had no transom, and used a rig to mount a
small 2-3 HP motor to one end.  The tubes were pretty badly rusted, and
I sandblasted them and painted them then put new PVC pipes over the ends
to match the mounts.  This dinghy was when we had our 22.  It was just
too big for handling on the 22.  I had been given it, with no floor, and
so I make a floor for it, and eventually passed it on to a friend.  I
believe he passed it on to yet another friend.  Sort of a testiment to
Avon and hypalon I think.  The life I know of was over 10 years. But the
small motor was a drawback when cruising with others, it didn't row well
at all, and was as I said larger than we needed at the time.

	As to the floor... The wood floor I made was 1/4" fir marine
plywood.
It was a bit heavier than the original flooring, but held up well, and
fir is a real hard wood.  It took the bangs and scrapes in stride.  I
had coated it with epoxy, the cleaned that and primered it with a white
primer, and then three coats of marine enamel.  I used it for 3 years
with no problems no chipping, flaking or feathering (fir tends to do
this if it gets water in the grain).  It was a hassel to install, until
I figured out to put it in when the tubes were about 1/3 inflated, then
it went easy.  It was a love hate relationship.  I think it was a bit
more comfortable for use, but meant the bottom was flat, so the darn
dinghy skated over the top of the water like a saucer, and the shape of
that particular dinghy didn't help.  It was quicker to inflate and get
going because I didn't have to inflate the floor.  It was a bit more
difficult to store because you always had the floor boards to hide
somewhat, which was aggravated by being on a 22.

	I was told to get the biggest dinghy I was comfortable with.  I
opted for the 10'6" Achilles this time because the 9'6" Quicksilver
wasn't large enough.  Now I wish I had gone 1' larger, but I couldn't
have stored it on the foredeck when cruising.  Everything is a trade
off.
One other note.  Rowing you must have the center seat.  Motoring you
don't need either seat, and we sometimes run it that way to add some
more cargo space.  However we are older, and running for more than an
hour or so with your head turned to one side is a pain.  I built a
second seat, and it installs on the stearn seat tabs.  I made it a bit
wider, too (I'm a broad container and needed to have my legs quit going
to sleep).  The mounting guides are available from Achilles.  Both of
the last two have had the inflatable floors with the inflatable keel.
While this slows the boat a bit, it makes control a great deal easier at
least for me.  The Quicksilver was too short to row well.  The Achilles
is a bit better, and the best of the three for rowing.  but when you
row, you loose some cargo room for the space to move your body and legs.
We do row it most of the time from the dock to our buoy in the summer,
but in the winter the motor comes out.  Cold wind is less annoying when
it is shorter.

	There is a school of thought that says "Nothing should be on
deck", but that is for those guys with bigger yachts I think.  There is
a practical limit to below decks storage.  I think if I knew that a
storm was coming and I was between harbors, I would have to choose
whether to stow the dinghy on deck or below, and I might choose below
decks if I felt sure I could survive the storm.  So its a choice.  That
would be influenced if I had a life raft, and I recommend that anyone
doing serious off shore cruising get one.  We are just coastal cruisers,
never out of sight of land.  Several folks here take longer cruises than
we do (and the Atlantic coast is prone to stiffer weather), so they
could add to that.

	One thing I will say:  For several years I would put the dinghy
in the water, position it near amidships and lower the motor on a
halyard to the dinghy and mount it.  This took several minutes.  Last
year I got fed up with that process.  It was dirty (I always seemed to
get grease from the rotating collar all over the place), somewhat
dangerous with the motor swinging around, and required great
coordination between Nancy and I to manage it.  Last year I decided to
mount the motor while the dinghy was on deck with the motor locked
horizontally.  I turned the dinghy upright, clamped the motor to the
transom, rigged a three point bridle between the transom holes, and the
bow handle that would keep the dinghy near level, I guided it with the
painter and Nancy raised dinghy and motor to about lifeline height, I
tied the painter off to the bow pulpit, then lowered the motor to normal
operating position (to minimize the weight aft of the transom) and
lowered it into the water.  Simple, clean, stable, and now we always do
it that way.  

	For those of you saying what a dummy, Most everyone I know does
it the old way, and there is a business making motor hoists for
sailboats to make the old way easier.  But the way I am doing it now is
simpler, safer and more stable.  We love it.  If winds were higher, we
could add a control line through a snatch block to the toe rail on the
windward side to help control it.  Try it, you will like it.

Regards,
Les H

  On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 18:37 -0800, Kenneth M. Sutto wrote:
>  
>               I was at the Seattle boat show today looking at 
> inflatable dinghies. It's a little comfusing trying to figure out what

> is what. I looked the the Zodiac Typhoon, Walker Bay Odyssey AF, and 
> the Achilles Lex Standard 88. Some of these are pvc,some are hypalon. 
> Some have removable hard floors ,wood or metal, some have air floors.
>               Anybody out there sugest what is good or what is bad to 
> look out for? I want to get from the boat to shore, sometimes gravelly

> sometimes sandy beach. I also want to work on the boat in the water 
> with tools and gear in the tender.
>  
>             Thanks,
>              
>             Ken      "Sundancer"    #253
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:51:44 -0800
From: "Patrick Harpole" <1derful at comcast.net>
Subject: [C38] hauling for bottom painting
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When hauling Catalina 38 for bottom painting is there a "special" way to
place the vessel so it doesn't get a "smile" injury to its hull?

Patrick Harpole

 

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:47:57 -0800
From: Joseph Launie <jlaunie at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [C38] inflatable tenders
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Kenneth,
    What I have been told is the hyperlon has much more UV resistance
which is important if the dinghy is going to spend a lot of time in the
sun. The old Avon hyperlon dinghys were very rugged. The downside is
that hyperlon is heavier than PVC. It comes down to trade-offs as it
usually does. Joe Launie, Commodore, Macavity

Kenneth M. Sutto wrote:
>  
>               I was at the Seattle boat show today looking at 
> inflatable dinghies. It's a little comfusing trying to figure out what

> is what. I looked the the Zodiac Typhoon, Walker Bay Odyssey AF, and 
> the Achilles Lex Standard 88. Some of these are pvc,some are hypalon. 
> Some have removable hard floors ,wood or metal, some have air floors.
>               Anybody out there sugest what is good or what is bad to 
> look out for? I want to get from the boat to shore, sometimes gravelly

> sometimes sandy beach. I also want to work on the boat in the water 
> with tools and gear in the tender.
>  
>             Thanks,
>             
>             Ken      "Sundancer"    #253
>  
>
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