[C38] mike spinnakers Alden Andre

alden Andre alden at clifforddevelopmentgroup.com
Wed Dec 17 12:44:21 EST 2008


Mike, I put an average of 400 hrs a year on my 38 on the water cruising
and racing both inshore and offshore. I have yet to have the 38 round up
even in high winds with a lot of sail up. Now saying that the boat would
start to wobble left and right when going fast downwind with big waves
and a symmetrical spinnaker wich could have caused a death roll. But we
switched to Asymetrical sails and it solved that problem. I race with
them even by my self if you want to see some pictures I can send them to
you. The 38 is a very stable boat even compared to the new C380.

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There is always the possibility of rounding up and a knock down when
running
downwind with a spinnaker.  Keen helmsman will prevent this though.  We
have, fingers crossed, never rounded up to that point nor been knocked
down,
close a couple of times though.
 




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I've got a question. We bought our C-38 about four years ago and was
told by
the previous owner that we should never sail her with a spinnaker. He
said
that running down wind with a spinnaker she would roundup very easy and
that
was a good way to loose her. Is this true?
 
Mike
C-38 
 
 
 
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From: david at dlrfilms.com
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Hello Mike and Buck,

Our C38 is our first big boat. My family and I put 1000 miles under the
keel last Winter. Then I put another 1000 miles under the keel bringing
the boat up the East Coast last April. Then we spend another five weeks
aboard as a family this Summer past.

Love love love our boat. Great sailer and a great value. Good looking
too!

-D




> Howdy All
>
> I've been reading your post with great interest. I'm the proud  owner
of a
> C-27 #5966 and am looking to move up and out in my sailing
adventures.
> The C-38
> has caught my eye. I'm a relatively new sailor, four years  now. I've
> raced
> (beer can) on my C-27(solo) as well as crewed on a J-22  ("we" have
the
> local
> cup for two years running) I've also crewed on an IP370  across the
Gulf
> of
> Mexico as well as trailered my C-27 to BC (Solo-Gulf  Islands to
> Desolation) for
> a couple of months this past summer. Now back in  Colorado freezing my
> buns
> off. Anyway limited experience. I was wondering  what "owners" of
C-38's
> would
> think of having a C-38 for a live aboard  / cruising boat for a solo
> sailor.
> I'm ready to get off the grid and have  been looking for boats to
> accomplish
> this goal. BC was great but a little more  waterline would be nice.
With
> my
> limited experience, I still tend towards faster  vs heavier
displacement,
> with a
> heavy dose of conservatism. Any thoughts  would be greatly
appreciated.
>
> Mike and Buck  (pup & 1st mate)
> S/V The Great Escape
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:58:48 EST
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Russ, Thank you very much for your input. I have considered the  tankage

issue. Water maker would be one of the first additions. My C-27 has a 20
gallon 
waste tank, so I'm already dialed into that situation. BTW I have
averaged 
over 250 days a year under sail since I've owned my boat. I  need an
"excuse" to 
stay tied to the dock. ;-)  Definitely not a  dockside condo. Thanks
again.

Mike and Buck  (pup-1st mate)
S/V The Great Escape
Dock 300 slip 317
Lake Pueblo, Co
~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~(\_~~~~ 
~~~~~ (\_~~~~ 


In a message dated 12/17/2008 8:19:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
rduff at visteon.com writes:


We lived aboard our  C-38 for almost a year and a half up on Lake Erie
in 
Michigan. There were  four of us; my wife, 2 ? year old son, 4 year old
daughter, 
and myself. Oh  yeah, and our two cats. It actually wasn?t too bad. I
think 
doing it yourself  would be a piece of cake. The only real PIA?s were
the
water 
and waste tank  sizes.  Once I added a city water hook up, the fresh
water 
was taken care  of, now the only hassle to deal with was the holding
tank. 
Though this gives  you a good excuse to take the boat out: ?Gotta? go
pump
out so 
I might as well  take her for a sail.?  


Sincerely,
Russ  Duff
Catalina 38, Hull  #112
"AVANTURA"
Lake  Erie
Grosse  Ile, Michigan
RDUFF  AT VISTEON  DOT  COM 
AVANTURA AT COMCAST  DOT  NET


  
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Howdy  All



I've  been reading your post with great interest. I'm the proud owner of
a  
C-27 #5966 and am looking to move up and out in my sailing adventures.
The 
C-38 has caught my eye. I'm a relatively new sailor, four years now.
I've
raced 
(beer can) on my C-27(solo) as well as crewed on a J-22 ("we" have  the
local 
cup for two years running) I've also crewed on an IP370 across the  Gulf
of 
Mexico as well as trailered my C-27 to BC (Solo-Gulf Islands to
Desolation)
for 
a couple of months this past summer. Now back in  Colorado  freezing my
buns

off. Anyway limited experience. I was wondering what  "owners" of C-38's
would 
think of having a C-38 for a live aboard  / cruising boat for a solo
sailor.

I'm ready to get off the grid and have  been looking for boats to
accomplish

this goal. BC was great but a little more  waterline would be nice. With
my 
limited experience, I still tend towards  faster vs heavier
displacement,
with a  
heavy dose of conservatism. Any  thoughts would be greatly appreciated.



Mike and Buck (pup  & 1st mate)
S/V The Great Escape

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:11:07 -0800
From: "D. R. Strong" <drstrong at ucdavis.edu>
Subject: Re: [C38] sail tres cool with spinnaker
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pole and asym!

TherORl at aol.com wrote:
> I've got a question. We bought our C-38 about four years ago and was 
> told by the previous owner that we should never sail her with a 
> spinnaker. He said that running down wind with a spinnaker she would 
> roundup very easy and that was a good way to loose her. Is this true?
>  
> Mike
> C-38
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 12/17/ 2008 7:59:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
> listserve-request at catalina38.org writes:
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>     Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:32:13 -0800 (PST)
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>     Subject: Re: [C38] Maybe a C-38
>     To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
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>
>     Hello Mike and Buck,
>
>     Our C38 is our first big boat. My family and I put 1000 miles
>     under the
>     keel last Winter. Then I put another 1000 miles under the keel
>     bringing
>     the boat up the East Coast last April. Then we spend another five
>     weeks
>     aboard as a family this Summer past.
>
>     Love love love our boat. Great sailer and a great value. Good
>     looking too!
>
>     -D
>
>
>
>
>     > Howdy All
>     >
>     > I've been reading your post with great interest. I'm the proud 
>     owner of a
>     > C-27 #5966 and am looking to move up and out in my sailing 
>     adventures.
>     > The C-38
>     > has caught my eye. I'm a relatively new sailor, four years  now.
>     I've
>     > raced
>     > (beer can) on my C-27(solo) as well as crewed on a J-22  ("we"
>     have the
>     > local
>     > cup for two years running) I've also crewed on an IP370  across
>     the Gulf
>     > of
>     > Mexico as well as trailered my C-27 to BC (Solo-Gulf  Islands to
>     > Desolation) for
>     > a couple of months this past summer. Now back in  Colorado
>     freezing my
>     > buns
>     > off. Anyway limited experience. I was wondering  what "owners"
>     of C-38's
>     > would
>     > think of having a C-38 for a live aboard  / cruising boat for a
solo
>     > sailor.
>     > I'm ready to get off the grid and have  been looking for boats
to
>     > accomplish
>     > this goal. BC was great but a little more  waterline would be
>     nice. With
>     > my
>     > limited experience, I still tend towards faster  vs heavier
>     displacement,
>     > with a
>     > heavy dose of conservatism. Any thoughts  would be greatly
>     appreciated.
>     >
>     > Mike and Buck  (pup & 1st mate)
>     > S/V The Great Escape
>     >
>     > ~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~(\_~~~~
>     > ~~~~~ (\_~~~~
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>     Message: 2
>     Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:58:48 EST
>     From: Mikenolen at aol.com
>     Subject: Re: [C38] Maybe a C-38
>     To: listserve at catalina38.org
>     Message-ID: <c7b.48bf391e.367a7bb8 at aol.com>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>     Russ, Thank you very much for your input. I have considered the 
>     tankage
>     issue. Water maker would be one of the first additions. My C-27
>     has a 20  gallon
>     waste tank, so I'm already dialed into that situation. BTW I have 
>     averaged
>     over 250 days a year under sail since I've owned my boat. I  need
>     an "excuse" to
>     stay tied to the dock. ;-)  Definitely not a  dockside condo.
>     Thanks again.
>
>     Mike and Buck  (pup-1st mate)
>     S/V The Great Escape
>     Dock 300 slip 317
>     Lake Pueblo, Co
>     ~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~(\_~~~~
>     ~~~~~ (\_~~~~
>
>
>     In a message dated 12/17/2008 8:19:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

>     rduff at visteon.com writes:
>
>
>     We lived aboard our  C-38 for almost a year and a half up on Lake
>     Erie in
>     Michigan. There were  four of us; my wife, 2 ? year old son, 4
>     year old daughter,
>     and myself. Oh  yeah, and our two cats. It actually wasn?t too
>     bad. I think
>     doing it yourself  would be a piece of cake. The only real PIA?s
>     were the water
>     and waste tank  sizes.  Once I added a city water hook up, the
>     fresh water
>     was taken care  of, now the only hassle to deal with was the
>     holding tank.
>     Though this gives  you a good excuse to take the boat out: ?Gotta?
>     go pump out so
>     I might as well  take her for a sail.? 
>
>
>     Sincerely,
>     Russ  Duff
>     Catalina 38, Hull  #112
>     "AVANTURA"
>     Lake  Erie
>     Grosse  Ile, Michigan
>     RDUFF  AT VISTEON  DOT  COM
>     AVANTURA AT COMCAST  DOT  NET
>
>
>      
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>     From:  listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>     [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org]  On Behalf Of 
>     Mikenolen at aol.com
>     Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:58  PM
>     To:  listserve at catalina38.org
>     Subject: [C38] Maybe a  C-38
>
>     Howdy  All
>
>
>
>     I've  been reading your post with great interest. I'm the proud
>     owner of a 
>     C-27 #5966 and am looking to move up and out in my sailing
>     adventures.  The
>     C-38 has caught my eye. I'm a relatively new sailor, four years
>     now. I've  raced
>     (beer can) on my C-27(solo) as well as crewed on a J-22 ("we"
>     have  the local
>     cup for two years running) I've also crewed on an IP370 across
>     the  Gulf of
>     Mexico as well as trailered my C-27 to BC (Solo-Gulf Islands to 
>     Desolation) for
>     a couple of months this past summer. Now back in  Colorado 
>     freezing my buns
>     off. Anyway limited experience. I was wondering what  "owners" of
>     C-38's would
>     think of having a C-38 for a live aboard  / cruising boat for a
>     solo sailor.
>     I'm ready to get off the grid and have  been looking for boats to
>     accomplish
>     this goal. BC was great but a little more  waterline would be
>     nice. With my
>     limited experience, I still tend towards  faster vs heavier
>     displacement, with a 
>     heavy dose of conservatism. Any  thoughts would be greatly
>     appreciated.
>
>
>
>     Mike and Buck (pup  & 1st mate)
>     S/V The Great Escape
>
>     ~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~(\_~~~~ 
>     ~~~~~ (\_~~~~
>
>
>
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