[C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 894
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tdtron at earthlink.net
Fri Dec 2 19:32:46 EST 2011
I installed a grease fitting on the rudder tube of my little Catalina 27
with the boat in the water.
I made a tapped mounting plate from aluminum approximately 1x2x1/4". For
salt water, a stainless mount would be preferred. I threaded this plate to
accept the threads of a standard grease fitting. This was years ago but
the tap size may have been 1/16" NPT. Whatever the size is, you should be
able to buy a tap the size of a standard grease fitting.
I then mounted the fitting and mount to the rudder tube, centered half way
from top to bottom, with epoxy putty.
After the epoxy had cured over 24 hrs, I removed the grease fitting and
drilled through the mount and fiberglass tube.
When the drill bit touched the rudder shaft, I pulled the drill out and
flattened the drill tip with a grinder so I could finish the hole through
the fiberglass tube without hurting the rudder shaft with the "bottoming"
bit. I actually used a drill bit smaller than the threaded hole. This
means less water coming in during the procedure but more importantly it
means you are less likely to damage the threads of the mount from the drill
bit.
I installed the grease fitting in the mount again and proceeded to make my
first of many grease applications over the following years. I pump the
grease slowly so I won't hydraulically break the mount lose because of the
pressure of the grease.
I could not find grease fittings made of stainless steel so the fitting has
to be replaced every few years but that is a very easy and cheap procedure.
Replacing the fitting only takes a minute or two.
By injecting trailer bearing water proof grease into the tube, the grease
will spread up and down throughout the tube allowing for a good lubrication
of the entire tube.
I am surprised the factories don't supply their vessels with grease
fittings already installed. Even though access to install the grease
fitting was very easy on my 27, with a little contortionist effort I am
sure you could add a grease fitting to a Catalina 38 with this procedure,
even if the boat is in the water.
On a Catalina 27 the grease fitting is mounted above the water line so if
the mounting epoxy putty failed it would cause no harm but on a Catalina 38
the fitting would be below the water line. If you wrap a turn of
fiberglass cloth and resin around the assembly and tube before you drill
the hole it would make sure the mount doesn't possibly separate from the
tube and potentially sink your boat. By wrapping the tube and mount with
fiberglass it would make a much stronger assembly than by using only epoxy
putty as I did but my epoxy putty has stood up to numerous applications of
grease for over 25 yrs.
Tom Troncalli
> [Original Message]
> From: PAUL NOTTE <panotte at shaw.ca>
> To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> Date: 12/2/2011 5:17:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 894
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> If not bearings , why not a couple of grease fittings? I added grease
fittings
> To another boat I had . Yes I had to don my wet suit to grease but it
worked
> Well . Thoughts ?
> Paul
> Impulse 328
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glenn Walters <bluenoseyachts at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 1, 2011 5:22 am
> Subject: Re: [C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 894
> To: listserve at catalina38.org
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> > Hard to believe that someone has not added rudder bearings.
> >
> > I am planning to do so with a new rudder and shaft.
> > Seems doable in
> > theory but if I can avoid reinventing the "wheel " so to
> > speak that would
> > be nice.
> >
> > Glenn
> > POIA #13
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> > Launie)> 2. Re: Autohelm parts (MB Contact)
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> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:42:55 -0800
> > > From: Joseph Launie <jlaunie at cox.net>
> > > To: listserve at catalina38.org
> > > Subject: Re: [C38] Listserve Digest, Vol 7, Issue 891
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> > > Glenn,
> > > A boatyard owner friend of mine added
> > Harken bearings to the rudder
> > > shaft of his Wilderness 40. I helped install them. He had to
> > remove them
> > > later. Joe
> > >
> > > On 11/30/2011 1:21 PM, Glenn Walters 401 855 4355 wrote:
> > > > Does anyone have experience in modifying and adding rudder
> > bearings> > rather than the standard bushings?
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > > Glenn Walters
> > > > POIA hull #13
> > > >
> > > > On 11/29/2011 8:55 PM, listserve-request at catalina38.org wrote:
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> > > >> Today's Topics:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. Re: Quadrant or Radial Wheel
> > Drive (Max Soto)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------
> > > >>
> > > >> Message: 1
> > > >> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:47:06 -0600
> > > >> From: Max Soto<maxsoto at gmail.com>
> > > >> To: Catalina 38 Listserve<listserve at catalina38.org>,
> > > >> mwlewis at comcast.net
> > > >> Subject: Re: [C38] Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive
> > > >> Message-ID:
> > > >>
> > <CAMenP9MnAYgZB3Hsm5Hj9vZ6Z05UF1F2O5Kwutexjj1vq727zw at mail.gmail.com>>
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> > > >>
> > > >> Hey Mark,
> > > >> Here a re a few pics from the engine room and the
> > lazarette. There is no
> > > >> cut out, because never had anything separating the
> > lazarette from engine
> > > >> room. You'll have to remove yours in order to accommodate
> > the radial
> > > >> wheel.
> > > >> The rudder obviously has been removed, so you can see the packing
> > > >> gland and
> > > >> the piece of wood that works as rudder stop.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, the void in my hull between the rudder post and the
> > strut location
> > > >> was just filled with foam and fiberglased, so water coming
> > from the
> > > >> rudder
> > > >> gland will go right to the bilge without accumulating in
> > the engine
> > > >> room.
> > > >> Hopefully, the humidity in this area will drop a lot.
> > > >> These areas are the most neglected by myself on Estancia,
> > but I just
> > > >> started working on them, hopefully they'll look great in a
> > few weeks.
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Max
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 2011/11/25 Mark Lewis<mwlewis at comcast.net>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Steve,****
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ** **
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It looks like there is barely room for an 8" radial.
> > Does your boat
> > > >>> have
> > > >>> a cutout in the rear lazerrette to accommodate it?
> > See pics of my
> > > >>> boat.**
> > > >>> **
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ** **
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Mark****
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ** **
> > > >>>
> > > >>> *From:* listserve-bounces at catalina38.org [mailto:
> > > >>> listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Smolinske
> > > >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:18 PM
> > > >>> *To:* Catalina 38 Listserve
> > > >>> *Subject:* [C38] Quadrant or Radial Wheel Drive****
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ** **
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Just a technical note for everyone, our boats came
> > installed with a
> > > >>> radial
> > > >>> wheel drive, that is the circular aluminum piece mounted
> > to the
> > > >>> rudder post
> > > >>> that the cable runs around and terminates at the
> > tightening ubolts. A
> > > >>> quadrant is an aluminum piece shaped like a piece of pie that
> > > >>> attaches to
> > > >>> the rudder post and does the same thing.
> > > >>> http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/wheel_conversion/pdfs/S-
> > 936.pdf> >>> (link
> > > >>> to Edson Catalina 38 diagram) and
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
http://www.edsonmarine.com/marinestore/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=287>
>>> (link
> > > >>> to a picture showing both) ****
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ****
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Steve****
> > > >>>
> > > >>> #312 Peregrine****
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Seattle****
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ****
> > > >>>
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> > > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:18:59 -0500
> > > From: MB Contact <mixedbusinesscontact at gmail.com>
> > > To: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> > > Cc: Catalina 38 Listserve <listserve at catalina38.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [C38] Autohelm parts
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> > > Hey all...
> > >
> > > Speaking of auto helms .... Does any one have any Autohelm
> > ST4000 parts?
> > > My wheel drive actuator went up. Well, it started slipping,
> > and then in a
> > > blow one of the internal roller ring posts snapped off and
> > caused one of
> > > the rollers to rattle around inside the wheel ring unit...basically
> > > disabling my steering completely. (was fun pulling the ring
> > and the wheel
> > > off to ditch the whole thing while underway!) anyway, my
> > control head and
> > > power supply work just fine..., and up till about 10mins ago
> > the actuator
> > > motor did too (stupid me pulled the motor off the ring only to
> > see the
> > > internal gears go flying...guess I can put that back
> > together)... but my
> > > wheel drive actuator is beyond repair. so I'm looking for a
> > wheel drive
> > > actuator ring, either with a motor, or with out.
> > >
> > > Anyone got a box of parts laying around? Or know where I might
> > find one?
> > > Do I really have to get a whole new system?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > > Momentous #230
> > >
> > > Oh yea btw... Found a nice canvas guy in Baltimore that just
> > did a custom
> > > dodger for me, and is working on a complete bikini and
> > connector too. Good
> > > price, very accommodating guy. Charm City marine Canvas.
> > Thought I'd pass
> > > it along.
> > >
> > > Hey Phil Gay... A big thanks to you for sending me pics of
> > your dodger...
> > > They helped me design mine. Pic attached.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Max Soto <maxsoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have the Type 1 (12in stroke), so as Davd pointed
> > out, a small
> > > modification might be needed to the rudder stops, in order to
> > make it work,
> > > but not that big of a project.....
> > > > I was planning to install it directly to the radial wheel,
> > with only a
> > > 8" radius instead of the 10" tiller arm, but still it should
> > work.. I hope!
> > > > This unit came with a complete Autohelm ST6000
> > autopilot, but is that
> > > old (around 20years), that is not NMEA compatible, and
> > that's why I want
> > > to remove the wheel pitlot assembly and install it with the ST4000+
> > > display. Despite what RM support said, now I find it really
> > hard to make it
> > > work like this, but I'll give it a try. As Tom said, the wheel
> > pilot is
> > > very easy for connections and maintenance, but despite the patented
> > > Troncalli's shock cord solution (which BTW works great most of
> > the time!!),
> > > the wheel pilot slips when the wind is blowing hard and the
> > weatherhelm> increases...... So the linear drive should be more
> > reliable...> > I've heard great comments about the Nexus
> > and Simrad/ Robertson, but
> > > because of the price, they are out of the question. If I don't
> > make the
> > > linear drive work, I'll stick with the wheel pilot, or maybe
> > I'll just
> > > install both autopilots, hopefully, the new 20 years old
> > ST6000 might work
> > > and I'll have a very good back up.
> > > >
> > > > Have someone installed any brand of drive unit directly to
> > the radial
> > > wheel??? Edson used to reccomed it, but years ago, they
> > changed their
> > > mind, started reccommending the tiller arms that they started
> > producing.> >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Max
> > > >
> > > > 2011/11/29 David Epstein <davidepstein at earthlink.net>
> > > > Max,
> > > >
> > > > Do you know if it is a Type 1 (12 in stroke) or a Type1L (16
> > in stroke)?
> > > If it is a Type 1, my notes indicate that it rated for
> > up to a 22,000 lb
> > > boat, requires a 10" tiller arm, and it has a maximum of +/-35
> > degrees of
> > > rudder travel. The 1L is good up to 33,000 lbs,
> > requires a 16" tiller arm
> > > as is also limited to +/-35 degrees.
> > > >
> > > > SuperStar's rudder has about 90 degrees of travel (+/-45),
> > so if your
> > > boat has similar range, you may have to modify your stops on
> > each side so
> > > that you don't have a problem when the linear drive is in
> > bypass. I would
> > > think you could be able to make the Raymarine unit work on a 38.
> > > >
> > > > When I did my research, I concluded that the absolute best
> > solution for
> > > SuperStar would be the Nexus/ComNav HP-40 integrated linear
> > drive (or the
> > > AP-23 with a separate pump), as it is fast, powerful and has
> > up to +/-50
> > > degrees of travel with the specified tiller arm length.
> > I have not yet
> > > purchased a Nexus drive unit, so I can't tell you about any
> > firsthand> results...
> > > >
> > > > David Epstein
> > > > SuperStar, #122
> > > > Marina del Rey, CA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 12:23 PM 11/29/2011, you wrote:
> > > >> I got a new one of this for free, and according to
> > Raymarine Support,
> > > it can be installed with my ST400+ wheel pilot display.
> > > >>
> > > >> Does anyone has installed one of this below deck drives on
> > a C38 ?? If
> > > so, any installation pics or recommendations will be appreciated!
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Max Soto
> > > >> C38 #198 ESTANCIA
> > > >> Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Max Soto
> > > > C38 #198 ESTANCIA
> > > > Puntarenas, Costa Rica
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