[C38] Halyards

Wed Jan 12 14:52:43 EST 2011

I just wanted to clarify for the owners of earlier model C38s that not all
masts are identical.  I replaced my 1980 mast in 2008 with a new LeFiell
mast.  The cost was $5800 plus $800 shipping with everything but shrouds.
After describing my original mast to LeFiell, they told me that it came from
a different supplier.  As I recall the mast head weldment was different from
Steve's photos.   The new extrusion which is more tear drop shaped is
different from either my 1980 mast or Steve's later model mast.

The reason that I replaced the mast was because of a sharp bend aft under
rigging loads right about the upper spreaders.  The bend went away when
unloaded.   I noticed that my new mast was welded at the same location and
decided that maybe there was no problem with the original mast after all..

I guess that I just paid a little extra for a good paint job.  ;-)

Phil Gay

C38 049 Que Linda

Everett, WA

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Jay Sorensen
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [C38] Halyards

After looking at your photo again I see that you are right.  I was
considering using a standard spin bail and block and then routing the spin
halyard to the jib sheave but that won't work at all.  Outside of the mast
it is for now!  But next year the mast is going to have a little surgery.

Thanks!...........Jay  

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smolinske
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [C38] Halyards

I think you would run into problems with angles and loads on the jib sheave
if you flew a spinnaker from it,   The bail and block design allows the
spinnaker head to move around some on the spinnaker as the jib halyard is
designed for hoisting and holding.  

Steve,

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Jay Sorensen
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [C38] Halyards

Yeah, that is what I was concerned about as well.  The Serendipity 43 I crew
on has everything running inside the mast and it's a very clean
installation.  The boat is an early 80's IOR racer and was very well put
together when new.  Sometimes I wonder if it might make more sense on our
stock boats to have a single jib halyard and 2 spinnaker halyards and use
the 2nd spin halyard to peel the jib when needed.  But I'm not sure if the
hoist angle would be OK.  Anyone out there doing that?  I personally like
having the greater flexibility in preparing for spin sets as the jib is
usually not changed during the short races here in SD.

Thanks!..............Jay

Jay & Dorothy Sorensen

C-38 #311 Broad Reach

San Diego, CA

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smolinske
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:24 AM
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Thanks Jay,

I am running the second halyard outside the mast I still need to secure the
halyard to the mast somewhere around the first spreader or so to keep the
tail and halyard separate but other than that it works pretty well.   

Steve

#312 Peregrine

Seattle

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Jay Sorensen
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [C38] Halyards

Thank you Steve!

The combination of photo and link showed exactly what we are facing.  I
think we'll wait until the mast is down to replace the sheaves given the low
probability of halyard damage.  Your masthead looks like its right out of
the box!  Nice work!  Maybe in a few years our sister ship will look as
good.  I think I noticed 2 spinnaker halyards, yes?  If so, did you run the
2nd halyard down the inside of the mast or outside?  

Thanks!.............Jay

Jay & Dorothy Sorensen

C-38 #311 Broad Reach

San Diego, CA

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[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smolinske
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:41 PM
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Subject: RE: [C38] Halyards

Jay,

Here are a few photos of my mast when it was down and being worked on and
then back up.  In the one you can see the painted mast with the cover plates
removed and in the other with the plate in place.  this should help with
giving some perspective to what Tom talked about trying to do it from the
top of the mast.   Our masts were manufactured by lefeill
http://www.lefiell.com/2marine_main.html  This link goes to the mast and
mast head page, I believe our mast is p/n OM4C with a cut length of 55'  Im
sure they could probably give you a schematic of the proper mast head so
that you could get another perspective of how the sheaves and pins fit
together inside. 

Steve

#312 Peregrine

Seattle

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From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of Jay Sorensen
Sent: Tue 1/11/2011 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [C38] Halyards

Good Morning All,

First, thanks for your help with the salon shelf storage options.  First
mate Dorothy is very happy with the lined baskets on the top shelves and
the extra rail on the bottom. 

Now for the next question trying to save a trip up the mast.  Can anyone
tell me if sheeve box needs to be removed from the masthead to replace
the sheeves?  Or is there a pin that goes all the way through the mast.
Ours is a 1985 model. 

I'm going to 7/16" Sta-Set X halyards and want to remove the combination
sheeves as I'm concerned about the semi-circle indent on the current
version.  7/16" line seems to run smoothly, but I'm not sure about wear.
New sheeves should be cheap insurance.

Thanks!

Jay & Dorothy Sorensen
C-38 #311, Broad Reach
San Diego, CA

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