[C38] How to approach an argument with a sailor

[Steve Smolinske]

That video is from last years Oregon Offshore,  when the whale breached and demasted La Orca,  Timm and Victoria Lessly who own the Cal 40 are fantastic sailors having done a number of Transpacs and PCups, they hold a record for one of the Pac Cups.  Wonderful people and great competitors,  the link below shows La Orca after the demasting, the narrator wrongly points out that the Blue chute is La Orca (they had a multi colored chute up)  That is actually Peregrine flying the blue chute, and it came down twice within the first hour.  We blew a shackle once and mistakenly thought it happened  the second time when a sheet slipped,  we decided twice was enough and kept it down.  Later putting up our A3 until we rounded up.      Interesting point about hull speed we learned in this race and the Coastal Cup.   I was pretty disappointed we were having kite problems (first time flying the A4) and decided 22 knots was not the time to experiment, so we ran wing and wing with a double reefed main and #3 sustaining hull speed all day and night.  I thought we were so screwed and were left behind by the fleet as I watched California Girl sail off.    The next morning we were ahead of them when we got into the straits.   When you think about it, surfing momentarily in the teens is exciting but over the length of a long course you really dont pick up that much, and one wipe out can put you 20-30 minutes behind as you clean up the mess.  Stan Honey stressed to our navigator before Transpac to look for enough wind to sustain hull speed anything else is not going to do much for a displacement boat as hull speed is hull speed.    
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JYs92oECFE

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From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org on behalf of david at dlrfilms.com
Sent: Tue 9/13/2011 6:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [C38] How to approach an argument with a sailor



Don't tell that to these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQX_PEZsLjA

> I sail a Catalina 38 and reached 12 to 14 knots sailing from Benecia to
> Berkeley.  The reason for the speed is an ebb current at 6 knots.
> There is no way a displacement vessel can reach greater than their
> calculated hull speed.  When one exceeds hull speed they are unduly
> stressing their rig...which might come down.  What a shame for being
> stupid.
> Patrick
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> From: <david at dlrfilms.com>
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [C38] How to approach an argument with a sailor
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>> Not too long ago I saw a video of a CAL 40 running offshore in a big
>> wind
>> with a heavy kite. They were sustaining over 15 kts and hitting high
>> teens.
>>
>> Does the Santa Crus 37 plane? If it does, 15-20 kts wouldn't be
>> outrageous.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Advice seeking time.
>>>
>>> So, I've got a friend who sails on a VERY fast boat. A very winning
>>> boat. Probably one of the fastest in San Francisco. It's crewed by a
>>> bunch of amazing sailors including some Cup guys. However, she's not
>>> really a sailor and I've had to explain things like what a knot is vs
>>> mph. The boat is a Santa Cruz 37 rates in a 27PHRF. Now, she claims and
>>> has some text messages from other crew saying they've hit 26knots in
>>> the
>>> bay. I call BS. I pull out all my math on hull speed, plain force
>>> calculations on what it would take to make that boat go into full
>>> plane.
>>> I've tried showing what PHRF means and that a 27 means they only
>>> average
>>> 1/2 knot faster than the J/105's. I've tried pulling out their race
>>> times and showing they're only averaging about 6-7knots during races. .
>>> This does not matter.
>>>
>>>   Probably most of us have seen exceedences in hull speed for our boats
>>> going down waves and whatnot. However, that's not the claim. The claim
>>> is they REGULARLY go 16-20 knots in bay races. This is 2x or more their
>>> hull speed. .
>>>
>>> Thoughts on how to explain this or anyone have experience with a SC37?
>>>
>>> Anders
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