[C38] check this out

Donald Strong drstrong at ucdavis.edu
Fri Jul 6 20:03:31 EDT 2012


I was led to this by a thread about "what bot should I buy..."
http://www.talkofthedock.com/boat-reviews/used-sail/263-catalina-38-review/

> 
> --Apple-Mail-3-367011020
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> 	charset=utf-8
> 
> Larry,  what kind of Autohelm do you have, wheelpilot, or under deck
> piston???
> Max
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:00, "Larry Malmberg" <Larrypi at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Right on Chuck, we would not have touched anything on Hassle absent the
> unfortunate fire in 2010.  Given the circumstances of the fire, purchase
> back at salvage we upgraded almost all of Hassle's systems and are still
> fine tuning them.  On another note, our instruments were changed from
> Raymarine to Nexus and of course they have different languages, our auto
> helm is still Raymarine and I would like to get the auto helm integrated
> to our system.  Anyone have experience converting Sea Talk Raymarine's
> proprietary language to NEMA?  Any advice would be appreciated.  I would
> like to be able to plot a route on our Garmin Chart Plotter and have the
> auto helm follow the route.
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > Larry Malmberg
> > 
> > 7231 Boulder Avenue Suite 507
> > Highland, CA 92346 PI 15211
> > Telephone  909-208-1847
> > FAX           909-991-7568
> > 
> > E Mail  Larrypi at roadrunner.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Life is short, Break the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love
> truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And never regret anything that made you
> smile..
> >  
> > "The American Indians found out what happens when  you don't control
> > immigration"
> > 
> > 
> > "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
> safely in
> > a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
> > thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming; WOW-- What
> a
> > Ride!"
> > 
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message, including any
> attachments,
> > is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain
> > confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review,
> copying,
> > use, disclosure or distribution of any parts of the contents of this
> > message/information is prohibited by federal law. Attempts to intercept
> this
> > message are in violation of Title 18 USC 2511(1) of the Electronic
> > Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), which subjects the interceptor to
> fines,
> > imprisonment and/or civil damages. If you are not the intended
> recipient,
> > please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the
> > original message.
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Charles
> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 8:30 AM
> > To: Catalina 38 Listserve
> > Subject: Re: [C38] up-grading electrical system
> > 
> > Hmmm....
> > This sounds like a lot of the "sage" advice I get from other sailors
> from time to time.  Some of it is  great!  And others....  well, we all
> have to sound like experts!  After all, how can you be a Captain and not
> be an expert?
> > 
> > And if you alternator by some crazy circumstance actually "fell off,"
> the bolt in your block would not fall out (it is screwed in tight holding
> your alternator).  And!  you would surely notice all the racket of your
> alternator bouncing around in the engine compartment way before you ran
> out of engine oil!
> > 
> > While I was in San Francisco with Anders, I had a discussion with a
> fellow at hospital who is buying a 38 foot bayliner power boat.  Two
> engines and 13,000 pounds.  What was his experience afloat?   NONE!  Had
> he even owned another boat?  NO!  But, rest assured that the guy selling
> it has promised to tell him everything he needs to know to run this thing!
>  He is a very nice person and I am sure he will be an expert Captain once
> someone shows him where the ignition switch is!
> > 
> > That is why I listen to Steve S.,  Tom T. and the rest of you guys who
> have time on task and the grace to share it!
> > 
> > Chuck Finn
> > Mighty Quinn  #114
> > Great Lakes
> > 
> > On 7/6/2012 11:18 AM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
> >> The engine wouldn’t  loose  all of its  oil, you  would realize first
>  that  your alternator was off,  there is a small weep hole in the block
> that the bolt on the bracket seals. 
> >> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of
> 1derful at comcast.net
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:38 PM
> >> To: Larrypi at roadrunner.com; Catalina 38 Listserve
> >> Subject: Re: [C38] up-grading electrical system
> >> I don't have any problems.
> >> My engine starts after 10 seconds of glow plug.
> >> He is a "fellow sailor" (not selling anything) whom I rafter up with
> this weekend.  He just made a number of suggestions to improve boat.  He
> said there is a web site for Catalina that tells what upgrades are
> recommend. 
> >> He mentioned something about a post-market support for the alternator
> which is supposed to prevent it from falling off which "would cause engine
> to lose all its oil."
> >> I believe in "If its not broken....don't fix it."
> >> I have gotten into trouble fixing things that work
> >> Thanks for your response.
> >> Patrick
> >> 
> >> From: "Larry Malmberg" <Larrypi at roadrunner.com>
> >> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 6:41:34 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [C38] up-grading electrical system
> >> 
> >> Patrick, I can only suppose that he will do the work and bill you for
> it?  If you don't have charging problems, if everything seems to be
> working OK my opinion is don't mess with it.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Best regards,
> >> 
> >> Larry Malmberg
> >> Team Hassle
> >> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of
> 1derful at comcast.net
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:51 PM
> >> To: Catalina
> >> Subject: [C38] up-grading electrical system
> >> 
> >> I met a fellow this weekend who recommended upgrading my "elcetrical
> harness"? to one with more amps.  He said the batteries would charge   
> better.
> >> Is that worth while?
> >> My boat spends most of its life tied into shore power.
> >> Patrick
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Listserve mailing list
> >> Listserve at catalina38.org
> >> http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org
> >> No virus found in this message.
> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >> Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2437/5112 - Release Date:
> 07/05/12
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Listserve mailing list
> >> Listserve at catalina38.org
> >> http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Listserve mailing list
> > Listserve at catalina38.org
> > http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org
> 
> --Apple-Mail-3-367011020
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Content-Type: text/html;
> 	charset=utf-8
> 
> <html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Larry,  what kind of
> Autohelm do you have, wheelpilot, or under deck
> piston???</div><div>Max<br><br>Sent from my
> iPod</div><div><br>On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:00, "Larry Malmberg"
> <<a
> href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com">Larrypi at roadrunner.com</a>>
> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote
> type="cite"><div>
> 
> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span
> class="449353915-06072012"><font face="Arial">Right on 
> Chuck, we would not have touched anything on Hassle absent the unfortunate
> fire 
> in 2010.  Given the circumstances of the fire, purchase back at
> salvage we 
> upgraded almost all of Hassle's systems and are still fine tuning
> them.  On 
> another note, our instruments were changed from Raymarine to Nexus and of
> course 
> they have different languages, our auto helm is still Raymarine and I
> would like 
> to get the auto helm integrated to our system.  Anyone have
> experience 
> converting Sea Talk Raymarine's proprietary language to NEMA?  Any
> advice 
> would be appreciated.  I would like to be able to plot a route on our
> 
> Garmin Chart Plotter and have the auto helm follow the 
> route.</font></span></div>
> <div> </div><!-- Converted from text/plain format
> --><br><br><br><br>
> <p><font size="2">Best regards,<br><br>Larry
> Malmberg<br><br>7231 Boulder Avenue 
> Suite 507<br>Highland, CA 92346 PI 15211<br>Telephone  
> 909-208-1847<br>FAX          
> 
> 909-991-7568<br><br>E Mail  
> <a href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com"><a
> href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com">Larrypi at roadrunner.com</a></a><br><br><br>
<br> <br>Life
> is short, Break the rules, 
> Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And never
> regret 
> anything that made you smile..<br> <br>"The American Indians
> found out what 
> happens when  you don't
> control<br>immigration"<br><br><br>"Life is not a 
> journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in<br>a
> pretty and 
> well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,<br>thoroughly
> used up, 
> totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming; WOW-- What 
> a<br>Ride!"<br><br>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic
> message, including 
> any attachments,<br>is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s)
> and may 
> contain<br>confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized
> review, 
> copying,<br>use, disclosure or distribution of any parts of the
> contents of 
> this<br>message/information is prohibited by federal law. Attempts to
> intercept 
> this<br>message are in violation of Title 18 USC 2511(1) of the 
> Electronic<br>Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), which subjects the
> interceptor 
> to fines,<br>imprisonment and/or civil damages. If you are not the
> intended 
> recipient,<br>please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all
> copies 
> of the<br>original message.<br> <br></font></p>
> <div> </div><br>
> <div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left">
> <hr tabindex="-1">
> <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a
> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org">listserve-bounces at catalina38.org</a>
> 
> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] <b>On Behalf Of 
> </b>Charles<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 06, 2012 8:30
> AM<br><b>To:</b> Catalina 
> 38 Listserve<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [C38] up-grading electrical 
> system<br></font><br></div>
> <div></div>
> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hmmm....<br>This sounds like a lot of
> the "sage" 
> advice I get from other sailors from time to time.  Some of it is 
> great!  And others....  well, we all have to sound like
> experts!  
> After all, how can you be a Captain and not be an expert?<br><br>And
> if you 
> alternator by some crazy circumstance actually "fell off," the bolt in
> your 
> block would not fall out (it is screwed in tight holding your
> alternator).  
> And!  you would surely notice all the racket of your alternator
> bouncing 
> around in the engine compartment way before you ran out of engine 
> oil!<br><br>While I was in San Francisco with Anders, I had a
> discussion with a 
> fellow at hospital who is buying a 38 foot bayliner power boat.  Two
> 
> engines and 13,000 pounds.  What was his experience afloat?  
> NONE!  Had he even owned another boat?  NO!  But, rest
> assured 
> that the guy selling it has promised to tell him everything he needs to
> know to 
> run this thing!  He is a very nice person and I am sure he will be an
> 
> expert Captain once someone shows him where the ignition switch
> is!<br><br>That 
> is why I listen to Steve S.,  Tom T. and the rest of you guys who
> have time 
> on task and the grace to share it!<br><br>Chuck Finn<br>Mighty
> Quinn  
> #114<br>Great Lakes<br><br>On 7/6/2012 11:18 AM, Steve Smolinske
> 
> wrote:<br></div>
> <blockquote
> cite="mid:392501BCC93AAC4EA94D28D8DB159922DC8753 at sockeye.4M.local"
> type="cite">
>   <!--[if !mso]>
>   <STYLE>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> </STYLE>
> <![endif]-->
>   <style><!--
> /* Font Definitions */
> @font-face
> 	{font-family:Calibri;
> 	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
> @font-face
> 	{font-family:Tahoma;
> 	panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
> /* Style Definitions */
> p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
> 	{margin:0in;
> 	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
> 	font-size:12.0pt;
> 	font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
> a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
> 	{mso-style-priority:99;
> 	color:blue;
> 	text-decoration:underline;}
> a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
> 	{mso-style-priority:99;
> 	color:purple;
> 	text-decoration:underline;}
> p
> 	{mso-style-priority:99;
> 	margin:0in;
> 	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
> 	font-size:12.0pt;
> 	font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
> p.MsoAcetate, li.MsoAcetate, div.MsoAcetate
> 	{mso-style-priority:99;
> 	mso-style-link:"Balloon Text Char";
> 	margin:0in;
> 	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
> 	font-size:8.0pt;
> 	font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
> p.avgcert, li.avgcert, div.avgcert
> 	{mso-style-name:avgcert;
> 	margin:0in;
> 	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
> 	font-size:12.0pt;
> 	font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
> span.EmailStyle19
> 	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
> 	font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
> 	color:#1F497D;}
> span.BalloonTextChar
> 	{mso-style-name:"Balloon Text Char";
> 	mso-style-priority:99;
> 	mso-style-link:"Balloon Text";
> 	font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
> .MsoChpDefault
> 	{mso-style-type:export-only;
> 	font-size:10.0pt;}
> @page WordSection1
> 	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
> 	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
> div.WordSection1
> 	{page:WordSection1;}
> --></style>
> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
>   <div class="WordSection1">
>   <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The 
>   engine wouldn’t  loose  all of its  oil, you 
> would 
>   realize first  that  your alternator was off,  there is a
> small 
>   weep hole in the block that the bolt on the bracket seals.  
>   <o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:
> 11pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <div>
>   <div style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none;
> PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP:
> #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
>   <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span
> style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a
> class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org"><a
> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org">listserve-bounces at catalina38.org</a></a>
> 
>   [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org"><a
> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org">mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org</a>
</a>]
> 
>   <b>On Behalf Of </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
> href="mailto:1derful at comcast.net"><a
> href="mailto:1derful at comcast.net">1derful at comcast.net</a></a><br><b>Sent:</b>
> 
>   Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a
> class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
> href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com"><a
> href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com">Larrypi at roadrunner.com</a></a>;
> Catalina 38 
>   Listserve<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [C38] up-grading electrical 
>   system<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
>   <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
>   <div>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
> don't have 
>   any problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black">My engine 
>   starts after 10 seconds of glow plug.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black">He is a 
>   "fellow sailor" (not selling anything) whom I rafter up with this 
>   weekend.  He just made a number of suggestions to improve
> boat.  He 
>   said there is a web site for Catalina that tells what upgrades are 
>   recommend. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black">He mentioned 
>   something about a post-market support for the alternator which is
> supposed to 
>   prevent it from falling off which "would cause engine to lose all its 
>   oil."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
> believe in 
>   "If its not broken....don't fix it."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
> have gotten 
>   into trouble fixing things that work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black">Thanks for 
>   your response.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black">Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class="MsoNormal"
> align="center"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black">
>   <hr id="zwchr" align="center" size="3" width="100%">
>   </span></div>
>   <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From: </span></b><span
> style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">"Larry Malmberg" 
>   <<a href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com"
> moz-do-not-send="true"><a
> href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com">Larrypi at roadrunner.com</a></a>><br><b>To:
> </b>"Catalina 
>   38 Listserve" <<a href="mailto:listserve at catalina38.org"
> moz-do-not-send="true"><a
> href="mailto:listserve at catalina38.org">listserve at catalina38.org</a></a>><br><b>Sent:
> 
>   </b>Thursday, July 5, 2012 6:41:34 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re:
> [C38] up-grading 
>   electrical system<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Patrick, I can only 
>   suppose that he will do the work and bill you for it?  If you don't
> have 
>   charging problems, if everything seems to be working OK my opinion is
> don't 
>   mess with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <div>
>   <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
>   <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span
> style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black;
> FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Best 
>   regards,<br><br>Larry Malmberg<br>Team Hassle</span><span
> style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <div>
>   <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
>   <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class="MsoNormal"
> align="center"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black">
>   <hr align="center" size="3" width="100%">
>   </span></div>
>   <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span
> style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE:
> 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a
> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org"
> moz-do-not-send="true"><a
> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org">listserve-bounces at catalina38.org</a></a>
> <a href="mailto:[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org]"
> moz-do-not-send="true">[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org]</a>
> <b>On 
>   Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:1derful at comcast.net"
> moz-do-not-send="true"><a
> href="mailto:1derful at comcast.net">1derful at comcast.net</a></a><br><b>Sent:</b>
> Thursday, July 
>   05, 2012 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b>
> Catalina<br><b>Subject:</b> [C38] up-grading 
>   electrical system</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <div>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
> met a 
>   fellow this weekend who recommended upgrading my "elcetrical harness"?
> to one 
>   with more amps.  He said the batteries would charge 
>   better.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black">Is that worth 
>   while?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black">My boat 
>   spends most of its life tied into shore
> power.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>   <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black">Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
>   <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
> black"><br>_______________________________________________<br>Listserve
> 
>   mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org"
> moz-do-not-send="true"><a
> href="mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org">Listserve at catalina38.org</a></a><br><a
> href="http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org"
> moz-do-not-send="true"><a
> 
href="http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org">http://catalina38.org/mail
man/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org</a></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
>   <div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class="MsoNormal" align="center">
>   <hr style="COLOR: #a0a0a0" align="center" size="1" width="100%"
> noshade="">
>   </div>
>   <p class="avgcert">No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by
> AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><a
> href="http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a></a><br>Version: 
>   10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2437/5112 - Release Date: 
>   07/05/12<o:p></o:p></p></div><br>
>   <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br><pre
> wrap="">_______________________________________________
> Listserve mailing list
> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
> href="mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org"><a
> href="mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org">Listserve at catalina38.org</a></a>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> href="http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org"><a
> 
href="http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org">http://catalina38.org/mail
man/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org</a></a>
> </pre></blockquote><br><br>
> </div></blockquote><blockquote
> type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br>
<span>Listserve
> mailing list</span><br><span><a
> href="mailto:Listserve at catalina38.org">Listserve at catalina38.org</a></span><br><span><a
> 
href="http://catalina38.org/mailman/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org">http://catalina38.org/mail
man/listinfo/listserve_catalina38.org</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>
> --Apple-Mail-3-367011020--
> 
> 




More information about the Listserve mailing list