[C38] check this out

Max Soto maxsoto at gmail.com
Sat Jul 7 21:56:35 EDT 2012


That's funny, that's exactly the same article that appeared on the Santa  Ana magazine a few years ago... It was the one that made me think that the hull was made in two halves, instead of specifying that it was the mold. 

Regards, Max

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 6, 2012, at 18:03, "Donald Strong" <drstrong at ucdavis.edu> wrote:

> 
> I was led to this by a thread about "what bot should I buy..."
> http://www.talkofthedock.com/boat-reviews/used-sail/263-catalina-38-review/
> 
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>> Larry,  what kind of Autohelm do you have, wheelpilot, or under deck
>> piston???
>> Max
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:00, "Larry Malmberg" <Larrypi at roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Right on Chuck, we would not have touched anything on Hassle absent the
>> unfortunate fire in 2010.  Given the circumstances of the fire, purchase
>> back at salvage we upgraded almost all of Hassle's systems and are still
>> fine tuning them.  On another note, our instruments were changed from
>> Raymarine to Nexus and of course they have different languages, our auto
>> helm is still Raymarine and I would like to get the auto helm integrated
>> to our system.  Anyone have experience converting Sea Talk Raymarine's
>> proprietary language to NEMA?  Any advice would be appreciated.  I would
>> like to be able to plot a route on our Garmin Chart Plotter and have the
>> auto helm follow the route.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Larry Malmberg
>>> 
>>> 7231 Boulder Avenue Suite 507
>>> Highland, CA 92346 PI 15211
>>> Telephone  909-208-1847
>>> FAX           909-991-7568
>>> 
>>> E Mail  Larrypi at roadrunner.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Life is short, Break the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love
>> truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And never regret anything that made you
>> smile..
>>> 
>>> "The American Indians found out what happens when  you don't control
>>> immigration"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
>> safely in
>>> a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
>>> thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming; WOW-- What
>> a
>>> Ride!"
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>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of Charles
>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 8:30 AM
>>> To: Catalina 38 Listserve
>>> Subject: Re: [C38] up-grading electrical system
>>> 
>>> Hmmm....
>>> This sounds like a lot of the "sage" advice I get from other sailors
>> from time to time.  Some of it is  great!  And others....  well, we all
>> have to sound like experts!  After all, how can you be a Captain and not
>> be an expert?
>>> 
>>> And if you alternator by some crazy circumstance actually "fell off,"
>> the bolt in your block would not fall out (it is screwed in tight holding
>> your alternator).  And!  you would surely notice all the racket of your
>> alternator bouncing around in the engine compartment way before you ran
>> out of engine oil!
>>> 
>>> While I was in San Francisco with Anders, I had a discussion with a
>> fellow at hospital who is buying a 38 foot bayliner power boat.  Two
>> engines and 13,000 pounds.  What was his experience afloat?   NONE!  Had
>> he even owned another boat?  NO!  But, rest assured that the guy selling
>> it has promised to tell him everything he needs to know to run this thing!
>> He is a very nice person and I am sure he will be an expert Captain once
>> someone shows him where the ignition switch is!
>>> 
>>> That is why I listen to Steve S.,  Tom T. and the rest of you guys who
>> have time on task and the grace to share it!
>>> 
>>> Chuck Finn
>>> Mighty Quinn  #114
>>> Great Lakes
>>> 
>>> On 7/6/2012 11:18 AM, Steve Smolinske wrote:
>>>> The engine wouldn’t  loose  all of its  oil, you  would realize first
>> that  your alternator was off,  there is a small weep hole in the block
>> that the bolt on the bracket seals. 
>>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of
>> 1derful at comcast.net
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:38 PM
>>>> To: Larrypi at roadrunner.com; Catalina 38 Listserve
>>>> Subject: Re: [C38] up-grading electrical system
>>>> I don't have any problems.
>>>> My engine starts after 10 seconds of glow plug.
>>>> He is a "fellow sailor" (not selling anything) whom I rafter up with
>> this weekend.  He just made a number of suggestions to improve boat.  He
>> said there is a web site for Catalina that tells what upgrades are
>> recommend. 
>>>> He mentioned something about a post-market support for the alternator
>> which is supposed to prevent it from falling off which "would cause engine
>> to lose all its oil."
>>>> I believe in "If its not broken....don't fix it."
>>>> I have gotten into trouble fixing things that work
>>>> Thanks for your response.
>>>> Patrick
>>>> 
>>>> From: "Larry Malmberg" <Larrypi at roadrunner.com>
>>>> To: "Catalina 38 Listserve" <listserve at catalina38.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 6:41:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C38] up-grading electrical system
>>>> 
>>>> Patrick, I can only suppose that he will do the work and bill you for
>> it?  If you don't have charging problems, if everything seems to be
>> working OK my opinion is don't mess with it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Larry Malmberg
>>>> Team Hassle
>>>> From: listserve-bounces at catalina38.org
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] On Behalf Of
>> 1derful at comcast.net
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:51 PM
>>>> To: Catalina
>>>> Subject: [C38] up-grading electrical system
>>>> 
>>>> I met a fellow this weekend who recommended upgrading my "elcetrical
>> harness"? to one with more amps.  He said the batteries would charge   
>> better.
>>>> Is that worth while?
>>>> My boat spends most of its life tied into shore power.
>>>> Patrick
>>>> 
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>> <html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Larry,  what kind of
>> Autohelm do you have, wheelpilot, or under deck
>> piston???</div><div>Max<br><br>Sent from my
>> iPod</div><div><br>On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:00, "Larry Malmberg"
>> <<a
>> href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com">Larrypi at roadrunner.com</a>>
>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote
>> type="cite"><div>
>> 
>> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span
>> class="449353915-06072012"><font face="Arial">Right on 
>> Chuck, we would not have touched anything on Hassle absent the unfortunate
>> fire 
>> in 2010.  Given the circumstances of the fire, purchase back at
>> salvage we 
>> upgraded almost all of Hassle's systems and are still fine tuning
>> them.  On 
>> another note, our instruments were changed from Raymarine to Nexus and of
>> course 
>> they have different languages, our auto helm is still Raymarine and I
>> would like 
>> to get the auto helm integrated to our system.  Anyone have
>> experience 
>> converting Sea Talk Raymarine's proprietary language to NEMA?  Any
>> advice 
>> would be appreciated.  I would like to be able to plot a route on our
>> 
>> Garmin Chart Plotter and have the auto helm follow the 
>> route.</font></span></div>
>> <div> </div><!-- Converted from text/plain format
>> --><br><br><br><br>
>> <p><font size="2">Best regards,<br><br>Larry
>> Malmberg<br><br>7231 Boulder Avenue 
>> Suite 507<br>Highland, CA 92346 PI 15211<br>Telephone  
>> 909-208-1847<br>FAX          
>> 
>> 909-991-7568<br><br>E Mail  
>> <a href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com"><a
>> href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com">Larrypi at roadrunner.com</a></a><br><br><br>
> <br> <br>Life
>> is short, Break the rules, 
>> Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And never
>> regret 
>> anything that made you smile..<br> <br>"The American Indians
>> found out what 
>> happens when  you don't
>> control<br>immigration"<br><br><br>"Life is not a 
>> journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in<br>a
>> pretty and 
>> well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,<br>thoroughly
>> used up, 
>> totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming; WOW-- What 
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>> <hr tabindex="-1">
>> <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a
>> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org">listserve-bounces at catalina38.org</a>
>> 
>> [mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org] <b>On Behalf Of 
>> </b>Charles<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 06, 2012 8:30
>> AM<br><b>To:</b> Catalina 
>> 38 Listserve<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [C38] up-grading electrical 
>> system<br></font><br></div>
>> <div></div>
>> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hmmm....<br>This sounds like a lot of
>> the "sage" 
>> advice I get from other sailors from time to time.  Some of it is 
>> great!  And others....  well, we all have to sound like
>> experts!  
>> After all, how can you be a Captain and not be an expert?<br><br>And
>> if you 
>> alternator by some crazy circumstance actually "fell off," the bolt in
>> your 
>> block would not fall out (it is screwed in tight holding your
>> alternator).  
>> And!  you would surely notice all the racket of your alternator
>> bouncing 
>> around in the engine compartment way before you ran out of engine 
>> oil!<br><br>While I was in San Francisco with Anders, I had a
>> discussion with a 
>> fellow at hospital who is buying a 38 foot bayliner power boat.  Two
>> 
>> engines and 13,000 pounds.  What was his experience afloat?  
>> NONE!  Had he even owned another boat?  NO!  But, rest
>> assured 
>> that the guy selling it has promised to tell him everything he needs to
>> know to 
>> run this thing!  He is a very nice person and I am sure he will be an
>> 
>> expert Captain once someone shows him where the ignition switch
>> is!<br><br>That 
>> is why I listen to Steve S.,  Tom T. and the rest of you guys who
>> have time 
>> on task and the grace to share it!<br><br>Chuck Finn<br>Mighty
>> Quinn  
>> #114<br>Great Lakes<br><br>On 7/6/2012 11:18 AM, Steve Smolinske
>> 
>> wrote:<br></div>
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>>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
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>>  engine wouldn’t  loose  all of its  oil, you 
>> would 
>>  realize first  that  your alternator was off,  there is a
>> small 
>>  weep hole in the block that the bolt on the bracket seals.  
>>  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
>> 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:
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>>  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
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>> style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a
>> class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
>> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org"><a
>> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org">listserve-bounces at catalina38.org</a></a>
>> 
>>  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
>> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org"><a
>> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org">mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org</a>
> </a>]
>> 
>>  <b>On Behalf Of </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
>> href="mailto:1derful at comcast.net"><a
>> href="mailto:1derful at comcast.net">1derful at comcast.net</a></a><br><b>Sent:</b>
>> 
>>  Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a
>> class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
>> href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com"><a
>> href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com">Larrypi at roadrunner.com</a></a>;
>> Catalina 38 
>>  Listserve<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [C38] up-grading electrical 
>>  system<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
>>  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
>>  <div>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
>> don't have 
>>  any problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black">My engine 
>>  starts after 10 seconds of glow plug.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black">He is a 
>>  "fellow sailor" (not selling anything) whom I rafter up with this 
>>  weekend.  He just made a number of suggestions to improve
>> boat.  He 
>>  said there is a web site for Catalina that tells what upgrades are 
>>  recommend. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black">He mentioned 
>>  something about a post-market support for the alternator which is
>> supposed to 
>>  prevent it from falling off which "would cause engine to lose all its 
>>  oil."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
>> believe in 
>>  "If its not broken....don't fix it."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
>> have gotten 
>>  into trouble fixing things that work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black">Thanks for 
>>  your response.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
>> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black">Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <div style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class="MsoNormal"
>> align="center"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black">
>>  <hr id="zwchr" align="center" size="3" width="100%">
>>  </span></div>
>>  <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
>> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From: </span></b><span
>> style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">"Larry Malmberg" 
>>  <<a href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com"
>> moz-do-not-send="true"><a
>> href="mailto:Larrypi at roadrunner.com">Larrypi at roadrunner.com</a></a>><br><b>To:
>> </b>"Catalina 
>>  38 Listserve" <<a href="mailto:listserve at catalina38.org"
>> moz-do-not-send="true"><a
>> href="mailto:listserve at catalina38.org">listserve at catalina38.org</a></a>><br><b>Sent:
>> 
>>  </b>Thursday, July 5, 2012 6:41:34 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re:
>> [C38] up-grading 
>>  electrical system<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
>> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Patrick, I can only 
>>  suppose that he will do the work and bill you for it?  If you don't
>> have 
>>  charging problems, if everything seems to be working OK my opinion is
>> don't 
>>  mess with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <div>
>>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
>> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
>>  <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span
>> style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black;
>> FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Best 
>>  regards,<br><br>Larry Malmberg<br>Team Hassle</span><span
>> style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <div>
>>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
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>>  <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span
>> style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE:
>> 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
>> 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a
>> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org"
>> moz-do-not-send="true"><a
>> href="mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org">listserve-bounces at catalina38.org</a></a>
>> <a href="mailto:[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org]"
>> moz-do-not-send="true">[mailto:listserve-bounces at catalina38.org]</a>
>> <b>On 
>>  Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:1derful at comcast.net"
>> moz-do-not-send="true"><a
>> href="mailto:1derful at comcast.net">1derful at comcast.net</a></a><br><b>Sent:</b>
>> Thursday, July 
>>  05, 2012 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b>
>> Catalina<br><b>Subject:</b> [C38] up-grading 
>>  electrical system</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
>> 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <div>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
>> met a 
>>  fellow this weekend who recommended upgrading my "elcetrical harness"?
>> to one 
>>  with more amps.  He said the batteries would charge 
>>  better.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black">Is that worth 
>>  while?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black">My boat 
>>  spends most of its life tied into shore
>> power.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
>>  <p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR:
>> black">Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
>>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
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